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Proclaimer replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 10 years ago
KJ, there are many who are lord. If you rent or have rented a house, then you have a landlord. But if that landlord was a Believer, then Jesus is his Lord,. and guess what God is above him, so yes in this sense he is Lord over Christ and all. But Paul distinguishes the difference between the Father and the Son as God and Lord. And to put this…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Are the sons of God the angels? in the forum Truth or Tradition 10 years ago
I agree. And I agree that the Trinity Doctrine is a false doctrine. I have been refuting this doctrine on this site from the beginning.
Keeping to this topic, what is you view on the sons of God in Job and Genesis 6?
Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them, 2 that the sons of God s…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Are the sons of God the angels? in the forum Truth or Tradition 10 years ago
I agree. And I agree that the Trinity Doctrine is a false doctrine. I have been refuting this doctrine on this site from the beginning.
Keeping to this topic, what is you view on the sons of God in Job and Genesis 6?
Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them, 2 that the sons of God s…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 10 years ago
21 You cannot drink the cup of the Lord (Christ) and the cup of demons;
“Father, if You are willing, take this cup from Me. Yet not My will, but Yours be done.”
Then an angel from heaven appeared to Him and strengthened Him.…Who gave Jesus the cup to drink? Clue is in the above verse which says “Yet not My will, but Yours be done”.
It amazes…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 10 years ago
The Aramaic Bible has it right t8.
Like most die-hard Trinitarians, you will grasp at anything that remotely supports your triple personality God view. In this case, you choose a translation that is not like any other and say this is the one that gets it right compared to the rest. And your only evidence is wait for it….it agrees with the T…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 10 years ago
The Aramaic Bible has it right t8.
Like most die-hard Trinitarians, you will believe anything that remotely supports your triple personality God view. In this case, you choose a translation that is not like any other and say this is the one that gets it right. You also ignore the fact that the Dead Sea Scrolls are some of the oldest, if not the…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 10 years ago
The Aramaic Bible has it right t8.
Like most die-hard Trinitarians, you will believe anything that remotely supports your triple personality God view. In this case, you choose a translation that is not like any other and say this is the one that gets it right. You also ignore the fact that the Dead Sea Scrolls are some of the oldest, if not the…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 10 years ago
Aramaic Bible: To us, ours is one God The Father…and The One LORD JEHOVAH Yeshua The Messiah….
If you get this from one translation and a suspicious one at that, then it appears that you are getting desperate KJ.
I can give you hundreds of clear scriptures in any translation about who God really is and who Jesus really is.…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 10 years ago
Oops! t8 overlooked that the Greek “kurios” (lord) is the Greek equivalent of the Hebrew YHWH.
Not so fast KJ.
Kurios can mean sir, see Matthew 27:63:
“Sir,” they said, “We remember that while he was still alive that deceiver said, ‘After three days I will rise again.’ “.
It Also Means Master Or Owner in 1 Peter 3:6
Thus Sarah obeyed Abrah…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 10 years ago
Oops! t8 overlooked that the Greek “kurios” (lord) is the Greek equivalent of the Hebrew YHWH.
Not so fast KJ.
Kurios can mean sir, see Matthew 27:63:
“Sir,” they said, “We remember that while he was still alive that deceiver said, ‘After three days I will rise again.’ “.
It Also Means Master Or Owner in 1 Peter 3:6
Thus Sarah obeyed Abrah…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 10 years ago
Oops! t8 overlooked that the Greek “kurios” (lord) is the Greek equivalent of the Hebrew YHWH.
Not so fast KJ.
Kurios can mean sir, see Matthew 27:63:
“Sir,” they said, “We remember that while he was still alive that deceiver said, ‘After three days I will rise again.’ “.
It Also Means Master Or Owner in 1 Peter 3:6
Thus Sarah obeyed Abrah…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Are the sons of God the angels? in the forum Truth or Tradition 10 years ago
I have no argument with you Jael. I was agreeing with you. My last post in this topic was addressed to Nick.
Proclaimer replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 10 years ago
For some reason you cannot seem to grasp the idea of an eternal father having within him an offspring ready to be begotten from him and then at one point, actually begotten from him.
I can grasp a 50 foot spaghetti monster and many other things, that is not the problem. I have a problem with people who pretend to teach things that are biblical…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 10 years ago
I believe, that you do not take me seriously if you think that I teach that Jesus is God the Father.
lol. You say this and you roll your eyes at me? Look in the mirror and roll your eyes at the same time if you can.
Proclaimer replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 10 years ago
I believe, that you do not take me seriously if you think that I teach that Jesus is God the Father.
lol. You say ” I believe, that you do not take me seriously if you think that I teach that Jesus is God the Father. I have never taught that. You do not understand the term ‘unity.’” and you roll your eyes at me? Look in the mirror and roll you…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Gene on free will in the forum The Hot Seat 10 years ago
So why bother preaching at me with your view if you are not trying to get me to choose your view?
Proclaimer replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 10 years ago
I believe that he was begotten by God as the first to be with him. He was the Word that was with God and came in the flesh. His unique birth on Earth certainly qualifies him as the son of God and I think even Adam was called that.. But we are also told that One will go forth who will be ruler in Israel and who his goings forth are from long ago,…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 10 years ago
The Word was with God in the beginning. The Word became flesh and was called Jesus. He was born the messiah, savior, and Lord. He was the son of God at his birth in a manger. So he was the son at this point in the least.
Does this not mean to you that he was the son of God at that point and possibly earlier?
Proclaimer replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 10 years ago
But certainly do not deny it even if he was the Word. Why do people think when you say something that it automatically also means you deny something else. I think that is either silly or intentionally designed to make the opponent’s argument look a little silly. To me that is a desperate challenge and not completely an honest one.
Proclaimer replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 10 years ago
It was because you said that he was the son at that point (in the manger)” in the least,” that I see your lack of confidence in the belief that he was the son even before the manger and therefore before creation.
I can prove in scripture that he was born the son of God in Bethlehem. Not sure I can pull out a clear scripture that calls him the son…[Read more]
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