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Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 4 months ago
Gene, I believe that to a person can have a distorted view of something and still be a spirit filled believer. But I would argue that the believer would be moving forward in truth, not backwards, although we do have to allow for stumbling from time to time. But overall, believers make progress when they are being led by the Spirit. Further,…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 4 months ago
I will see your video and raise you another, Mike.
This one has satisfying answers in it to some of the questions you have asked here.
Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 4 months ago
Just call it a planet and it should go away. It has an inferiority complex.
Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 4 months ago
Now imagine a virtual world where AI exists. To them, their virtual world is real, but to the creator it is a virtual construct. If I being the creator of that virtual world talked about that world to the created AI, that in no way negates that the virtual world is actually way more complex than their limited experience of it. The creator would…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 4 months ago
The Flat Webpage Society
Webpages appears as two dimensional pages, but some smart arse programmers and mathematicians say that webpages are data packets that travel wirelessly through the atmosphere and are received by browsers in phones and computers to appear as two dimensional digital pages. Who are these guys kidding. We should just trust our…[Read more]Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 4 months ago
It isn’t hard t understand that everything on Earth is attracted to the centre of the Earth while a big object like the moon passing close would cause a disturbance or tug a bit harder than when it is further away.
An elephant has more mass than I do, so when it jumps of a three foot platform, gravity influences it more than if I jumped off that…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 4 months ago
t8, it sounds a little bit like, “if a tree falls in the forest and there is no one to hear it does it make a sound?”. Whenever I hear this kind of mumbo-jumbo I always ask them “what is the sound of one hand clapping”? Then I illustrate it by smacking them across the cheek! ; )
Not mumbo jumbo because it fits basic observable facts. Take your ey…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 4 months ago
Dig4truth. Science is revealing a way more complex reality than the world view held in antiquity. The more we learn the more reasons we see the amazing handiwork of an eternal creator. Of course, some will ignore God regardless. Even DNA code shows his handiwork. No surprises. Satan believes in God and rebelled. So what of man who hasn’t seen him.…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 4 months ago
Mike said:
Are they suggesting that a flower doesn’t actually exist unless someone happens to be looking at it?
Imagine a flower on your TV set. Yes it exists in the context of the world on your TV screen, but is that flower real so that the flower flies through the atmosphere and appears on the screen or is it a wave signal that the TV converts i…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 4 months ago
Just a short point. We see in scripture descriptions for earth and the heavens. They are from our perspective of course because they are written for us. In reality, it could be a matrix and a bunch of code for all we know. But God who created the heavens is not going to divulge what it really is from where he is. No, he is going to speak to us…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 4 months ago
Dude, I hate to tell you this again, but I think you’ve taken a picture of the entire mountain from 127 miles away – an impossible feat if we lived on a ball 25,000 miles in circumference. I’m going to post your photo and name all over YouTube! You’re going to be the biggest flat earth hero there ever was!
All things are possible with God right?
Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 4 months ago
Mike, here is a half decent debunking video that has a nice explanation as to how you can see beyond the horizon. It has to do with water and there is a lot of water in my image and lots of other images that show supposedly too distant city skylines and mountains.
Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 4 months ago
Hey T8, I did a little “expert” analysis on the photos. 🙂 Do you see the same three landmarks/boulders that I have circled? Do you see the same treeline I drew an oval around in each photo? Do you see the same 5 peaks that I do?

Dude, I hate to tell you this again, but I think you’ve taken a picture of the entire mountain from 127 miles…
Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 4 months ago
That’s interesting, since you have yet to provide one piece of evidence for the globe that you and I can personally verify – while I’ve already offered three pieces that anyone can verify, and which refute the globe you say has the weight in its corner.
First off Mike, I think it is great that we can challenge even the most accepted notions in ou…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 4 months ago
I think it would have been detected by now if the so-called south had 1000s to millions of more auroras than the north. Just another fantastic unlikely thing you need to believe in the Flat Earth model. I believe the overwhelming weight is in the corner of a Globe Earth. You have to discard so much science, information, and experience to write it…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 4 months ago
But scripture does say the earth is fixed and cannot be moved, right? And it does say the earth rests on pillars, right? And Joshua did command the sun and the moon to stand still in the sky – as opposed to commanding both the earth and moon to stop rotating and orbiting, right? And Jesus did say “the sun will be darkened, the moon will not giv…
Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 4 months ago
t8, you may be right but 3,100 cubic miles of water makes a pretty large bucketful.
In your description though, it sounds more like bouyancy and density than gravity. Just an observation.
The point is density. To give an extreme example, it was hypothesised mathematically decades ago that a star could collapse when its fuel was nearly spent and…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 4 months ago
Thats not necessarily so. Auroras are limited to where the excitement of the atmosphere is located. Just because there is a lot of area doesn’t mean that it must be covered by auroras.
The globe earth explains it better though and it is very simple. Both poles have the same properties and experience about the same amount of auroras. In the Flat E…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 4 months ago
Nick, Believers and followers of Christ can have varying views about other things that are not important to salvation. But I believe that we can be led into all truth, but that is not to say any of us have arrived yet. Testing all things to see of they are so.
Proclaimer replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 8 years, 4 months ago
Without checking this, I would argue that liquid water is way more denser, but I admit that I could be wrong, but do not have time to research this. My thinking is a bucket of water in one hand and a bucket of atmosphere in the other, would lead to to the view that the bucket containing liquid water would weigh much more. In fact, if I was to…[Read more]
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