You left this part out…

Psalm 19

The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.

Well yes, the sky or atmosphere, outer space certainly shows his handiwork. Obviously we cannot see the other galaxies which could be the heavens.

Well we can actually see Andromeda as a star in the firmament.

Can you produce a single scholarly article that claims what you do – that the Bible DOESN’T teach of a stationary earth set on foundational pillars, and surrounded by a vaulted dome in which are the sun, moon, and stars running appointed circuits over the earth, and above which are waters that can be let through windows of the vaulted dome to fl…

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IF you took Jesus’ pronouncement that the stars will fall from the firmament to the earth as LITERAL – would you still say that there is no contradiction between the Biblical model and the heliocentric model?  YES or NO?

Yes. No contradiction. Stars fall to earth all the time. I have seen too many to count. They are usually rocks burning up in th…[Read more]

And now, from a high altitude balloon that’s NOT using a fisheye lens to fool people…

Of course lenses can distort (refraction lol), but regardless of the lens used, a trip around the world is only possible in a globe. You would argue that going around the world is following the grooves on a record, but satellites are imaging earth 24/7, so do you…[Read more]

In biblical cosmology, the firmament is the structure above the atmosphere of Earth, conceived as a vast solid dome.

What the ancients believed about the universe and science is not the same as scripture which was inspired by God. Men read the Bible through their cultural lens just as we do today.

How many so-called experts and scholars have…[Read more]

What do we know from scripture about this firmament that sheweth God’s handywork?

It divides the waters above from the waters below. (Gen 1)
God called it “heaven”. (Gen 1)
God placed two great lights IN this firmament – one to govern the day and one to govern the night. (Gen 1)
God placed ALL the stars IN this firmament. (Gen 1)
It is stron…

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When you read about the heavens and the firmament, people imagined the Flat Earth because that was the taught knowledge of the time. We can still believe in the firmament and heavens, given the knowledge we have today. We both believe and read the scripture, the only difference is, you are applying an old debunked idea to it. God never told us the…[Read more]

Wow!  Every honest scholar in the history of the world (most of them Christians themselves) will tell you point blank what the writers of scripture believed about our world

Wow, have you not figured it out yet. Writers of scripture were revealed things by God. Some of it they did not themselves understand. John said that he saw locusts with men’s…[Read more]

Mike, you say “Food for thought”. The real question is what are you smoking?

Btw, how was the ISS built? Where can I see some footage of the construction process?

Yes, we know this is impossible in your world Mike.

But God divided our languages because if he didn’t do that, we would work together and nothing would be impossible.

You totally underestimate what man is capable of. We may be fallen, but we are still made in…[Read more]

Still waiting for that “overwhelming evidence”, Gene. I keep asking, and you keep going silent every time I ask. Hmm…

Satellites, rockets, video, photos, mathematics, 100% eclipse predictions based on heliocentric model, Antarctic travel, Southern Hemisphere distances, sunsets, sunrises, Auroras, air travel, etc.

Flat Earth has none of this…[Read more]

God in His infinite, pure, righteous and true nature…

The heavens declare His glory and since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities, His eternal power and divine nature, are clearly seen. Especially now that man has more technology and knowledge. The further we look the more we see God’s handiwork and eternal power. If we create a…[Read more]

Here’s two portals side by side. I took this pic and can tell you it is not fake. Thermal heat rises up from the ground evaporating water in the expected upward direction. Sometimes you see these funnels (portals) dance over the lake.

T8 is (once again) stumped by scripture, because he can’t fit waters that STILL exist above the firmament into his heliocentric model… nor can his model provide a sensible answer as to what those windows are.

We know that the atmosphere contains moisture (water particles) and it is entirely possible that there was a lot more water in the atm…[Read more]

Well, obviously it’s a lie that God told to mankind because mankind was too stupid to understand the truth. You know that whole “created in His image” stuff is fiction also, we have obviously evolved from primates. Of course we were too stupid to grasp that so God had to lie to us again and pretend that we were actually “created” this advanced.…

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Wow! I didn’t know that! I played with balloons when I was a kid, who knew I was ahead of my time!
Now when I see those “satellites” at night I know what they are!
Ive go to check out more of this, fascinating! Thanks for that Mike!

Leave them; they are blind guides. If the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit.”

T8 is (once again) stumped by scripture, because he can’t fit waters that STILL exist above the firmament into his heliocentric model… nor can his model provide a sensible answer as to what those windows are.

Far from it. If heavenly beings can walk through walls in our physical reality, then why would you think that everything about creation is…[Read more]

Yes, it is interesting how people get deceived. I would argue that a person cannot be totally truthful and be fully deceived. Men can be led into all truth and this is part of the journey that the children of God partake of.

How does your heliocentric view stack up against the “windows of heaven” and “vaulted dome of heaven” scriptures?  And remember… it was GOD who explained to Moses how HE flooded the earth by letting the waters above flow through the windows of heaven.  Was God mistaken?

Real simple. There are heavens. Different layers of the heavens. What consti…[Read more]