Berean…..I want Proclaimer’s  response to my Challenge,  if you want to be included then please go back and address “each” scripture I have given , and tell me who was the one speaking, in each one, and give me your reason for saying it.

I have said and maintain by ““proof”  that it was the same person speaking to John in verse 7 , 9, 10, 11, 12…

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Jodi and I ‘both” know we have freedom to exercise our Will’s,

Thank you.

Amen. This topic debunks the false idea that Jesus was only ever a man.

You need to think more than you speak.

We are all born with sinful nature, we didn’t choose to be born with sinful nature. We don’t choose to be born of God either.

A moot point. We may not have chosen our nature, but we certainly choose what nature we ultimately want.

Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the…[Read more]

It’s God’s mercy upon us, not self-righteousness. God’s mercy is GIVEN not chosen, and when it’s given it produces good fruit. The potter has power over the clay, not the clay is his own potter.

A moot point. Yes it is given, but you have to choose to accept it.

It’s a gift and not all accept it.

Back to the drawing board Jodi.

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Jesus OVERCAME, he conquered his weak flesh and denied all temptation going to the cross as a lamb without spot or blemish, which he did BECAUSE the eternal Spirit was upon him without measure.

We too have this choice. Deny the flesh and let the Spirit lead and guide us instead. A choice we are given. Up to us.

Proclaimer  my, my, how you drift around, and sell God and his saving power Short. If we lived how you believe no one would ever be saved,  or haven’t  you ever read what Paul quoted?

Rom 3:10…..as it is written, there is “none” rightious “no not one”:  There is “none” that understands,  there is ‘none” that seeks after God. read the rest on yo…

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I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you (John) these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

That settles it alone. Thanks Berean. These guys have been thoroughly debunked on yet another point. If they continue to fight this then that just shows an even higher level of…[Read more]

don’t understand that it is God that can and does,  cause our will’s to function a certanily way

Pity the guy then that lives for Christ his whole life and denied God on his deathbed. God willed it that way. But what if that guy was you. Then you face judgement. Pretty sure you might mention how unfair it was that you had no choice in the matt…[Read more]

Your idea about this Jodi doesn’t match reality does it. Think about it.

You seem to treat our sinful nature as if it holds the same level of convincing power that God’s Spirit holds. You sure make YOUR God Proclaimer out to be pathetic and weak, I’ll give you that! Your God resembles NOTHING like that of mine, and the way you view the Holy Spirit seems rather blasphemous in my opinion.

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Proclaimer, you said “Jesus never refused worship”,  thats not true, what did he tell the man who called him Good, “why do you call me good?,  “there is none Good, “but one”, and that is God.”

Sorry Gene, I can’t see the part in that verse that says he refused worship as the Son Of God. You might need to point it out to me.

LOL.

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Proclaimer……yes that messenger mentioned there is Jesus,

Off the bat, the chances are it s not Jesus based on the fact that you seem to take an opposing view to scripture. You are so consistently wrong that the odds that you might be right here is low.

Besides that, Jesus never refused worship except here if we accept it is Jesus. If not, the…[Read more]

Only the Father is worshipped as God. Jesus is worshipped as the son of God, the Lamb of God, and the only begotten.

King David was worshipped as the king of Israel.

Only he s worshipped as God. Worship can also mean honour and be prostrate before.

Come on now, we know that some people are so called push-overs, that’s because their own wills are weak you can get them to do anything, while other people are very strong willed and you can’t convince them of anything.

Another example of free will.

Pushovers have chosen to be weak over a period of time. It is the accumulation of decisions the…[Read more]

Just as Jesus said, NOT as I WILL but AS YOU WILL.

A perfect example of free will. He chose to do the will of God even over his own will.

“Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done.”

See how Jesus wanted to be spared from the suffering he was about to endure. But he knew that whatever God wanted was best.

Freedom,  we have to “do” our wills ,

Thank you. Yes we have free will. You might understand it differently, but you believe in free will according to your statement.