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    To Ramblinrose, I also thought about this later. It appears that there are multiple heavens or multiple levels of heaven.2 Corinthians 12:2I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of the body I do not know–God knows.Isaiah 45:12It is I who made the earth and created m…[Read more]

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    Quote (Guest @ May 11 2004,06:59)Quote: So Matthew 28:19 doesn't teach a Trinity anyway, but I do wonder if this verse was added in. There appears to be no obvious evidence that it was, as all translations appear to have the verse included. But I wouldn't be surprised if it was added in either. Does anyone have any historical evidence to add, that…[Read more]

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    Exodus 25:20The cherubim are to have their wings spread upward, overshadowing the cover with them. The cherubim are to face each other, looking toward the cover. 1 Kings 6:27He placed the cherubim inside the innermost room of the temple, with their wings spread out. The wing of one cherub touched one wall, while the wing of the other touched the…[Read more]

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    Quote (Ramblinrose @ May 09 2004,17:22)I am not going to get into a verse war with you as this is unproductive.To Ramblinrose, I see it as the following: 2 Corinthians 10:5We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ.My beliefs must…[Read more]

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    Hi Ramblinrose, Hope you are well.As far as I know, ringo111 believes that Jesus pre-existed and you do not. I am in agreement with ringo111 on that, but I am totally against his example of ignoring verses in the New Testament that are contrary to his belief. If he has no proof of mis-translation or fraud, then he should be silent. He is acting no…[Read more]

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    1 Corinthians 2:6-6 We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. 7 No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. 8 None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if…[Read more]

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    So ringo111, you admit that God creates THROUGH others.Also my advise to anyone reading this discussion is to be very careful with what ringo 111 is advocating. He ignores a whole set of New Testament scriptures that teach that God (the Father) made all things through his son and for him. Although in itself, this doctrine is not foundational, we…[Read more]

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    To ringo111,From your reply, I can only conclude that you consider the Old Testament as scripture, but not the new. So for you to quote from the New Testament would mean that you are quoting from a source that is unreliable in your own eyes.So let it be known to the readers that you think the New Testament is unreliable and it is the Old Testament…[Read more]

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    to ringo111, You say “why dont judge for yourselvs what is right??”So you base your thinking on this, even when it contradicts scripture. Well I will take you up on that, except I won't go against scripture, rather I will use it to support what I judge as right. If I judge something and I condemn certain scripture, then is it scripture or me that…[Read more]

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    I just want to remind all, that we have a covenant with God. So when we sin, we can be forgiven and God is more than able to forgive us everyday, for his mercies are new every morning.We all struggle everyday with sin and the lusts of the flesh. Our only defence is to be lead by the Spirit, as whatever is not of faith is sin. So we must move in…[Read more]

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    John 5:25-29Truly, truly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live. For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself, and has given him authority to execute judgment, because he is the Son of man. Do not marvel at…[Read more]

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    Dont know, I think it is another Roman Catholic thing.Can anyone else help?

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Islam 22 years, 5 months ago

    To ringo111,Some believe that the Beast is the AntiChrist and there are also many antichrists because of the following verse.1 John 2:18Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.

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    ringo111, How do you explain the following biblical verses.Jude 14-15 “In the seventh (generation) from Adam Enoch also prophesied these things, saying: 'Behold, the Lord came with his holy myriads, to execute judgment on all, and to convict all the ungodly of all their ungodly deeds which they have committed in such an ungodly way, and of all the…[Read more]

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    Hi ringo111,As mentioned b4, I am open to being wrong that Jesus is Wisdom as I do not see it as a must. But I repeat that we must not ignore scripture, just because it doesn't agree with ones point of view. If I agreed with you and followed your example, then I would be encouraging others to do likewise and would therefore be accountable for…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Islam 22 years, 5 months ago

    I think your post is thoughtful and worth consideration as prophecied events come to pass. It certainly seems feasible that the antichrist will claim to be the Christ and as you say, he may even lay claim to being a decendant, just as Jesus was a decendant of David.

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    thx MichaelTheeArchAngel, Your posts are interesting.In the name of something refers to the authority of something. E.g If I say in the name of the Law, then I am invoking the authority of the Law. If I am saying something in the name of Jesus, then it is his authority rather than the pronounciation that I am invoking and we know his authority…[Read more]

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    I cannot help you with regards to who you can fellowship with in your area, but I know that the tide is turning and the truth is shining through the lies. As the saying goes, “you can deceive all the people some of the time and some of the people all the time, but not all the people all the time”.It is just a matter of time before all Christians…[Read more]

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    Yes I agree that the Big Bang could certainly be the way God created the universe. Of course looking at creation from a higher dimension may show something different, but from our point of view, it looks as though all things started off as a singularity and expanded and continues to expand to make all things. This of course is how we see it in the…[Read more]

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