Quote (Adam Pastor @ Nov. 09 2004,10:35)John 1:1-4Were you aware that the majority of English Bibles before the KJV, translated John 1:1-4 as follows …(John 1:1-4)  In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by it; and without it was not any…[Read more]

To RR, Quote I will defend what I believe just as you will defend what you believe.But you are not defending what you believe by walking away.But we should always have an answer for what we believe. If we do not, then we should be open to change as we admit by not having an answer that we are not sure and complete in our understanding of what is…[Read more]

To Adam Pastor, But that still doesn't answer the dilema that if the Logos is a part of God's mind, and the flesh is what the Logos became, then Jesus is nothing more than flesh. At least we have a soul that resides in our flesh. It is our soul that God saves and we are also transformed with a spiritual body and we partake of the divine nature.…[Read more]

To Ramblinrose, Quote (Ramblinrose @ Nov. 09 2004,07:33)4491 riza rhiza hrid’-zah apparently a primary word; TDNT-6:985,985; n f AV-root 17; 17 1) a root 2) that which like a root springs from a root, a sprout, shoot3) metaph. offspring, progenySo I assume that you are reading the verse as the following:”The shoot and offspring of David”? If so, i…[Read more]

To Adam Pastor,Quote (Adam Pastor @ Nov. 09 2004,19:10)“The logos is the mind of God. Jesus is the embodiment of the mind of God. He is the logos made flesh – through the Holy Spirit…What preexists is God’s word or wisdom, God’s spirit andGod’s self (the Father)”Let's assume that this is true. That the Logos/logos is the embodiment of the mind of…[Read more]

thx for the encouragement Nick.

Quote (Ramblinrose @ Nov. 08 2004,04:43)Revelation 22: 16″I, Yahshua, have sent mine angel to testify to you these things in the congregations. I am the root and the offspring of David, the bright and morning star.”  Why bother with genealogy if it was not an important factor to knowing who the Messiah was when he came.  Are you suggesting the t…[Read more]

Yes, living water and salve for our eyes.Revelation 3:18

Yes I agree with that.But maybe a bit of glass cleaner might help?

To RR, Hey this is good. You are actually giving a reason for what you believe. I cannot complain about that. I will go through it to see if I can learn something or challenge it to see if it is so.Also I mentioned it once before, but I can tell that you do not agree with me defending scripture and putting away Global and others using scripture.…[Read more]

Yes that is true.

Thought I would bring this discussion to the front as we are currently talking about this in another discussion. There might be something here that helps.

To RR,Just to clear this up, I do not believe that Yahshua created the world, but that the world was created through him as scripture declares. Also I do not advocate giving up, or saying oh well we are too far apart to have meaningful dialogue. I think this is how some fall into error and as Nick said, how does this show that you love…[Read more]

Yeah Vision III.I should read it again, it has been a while.

An amazing book to read, giving revelation on the church is the The Shepherd of Hermas.The Shepherd of Hermas was one of the most popular books produced in the early Church, and for a time it was frequently quoted and regarded as inspired. The text of the Shepherd has not been well preserved. Only 3 incomplete Greek manuscripts and a number of…[Read more]

Jesus is called the Word of God in Revelation 19:13He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of GodJohn 1:1-2To Nate,1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning.So God's plan or expression appears as a 'he' and he was 'with' God and this Logos became…[Read more]

Regarding reward, the following scriptures are enlightning.Mark 4:20Others, like seed sown on good soil, hear the word, accept it, and produce a crop–thirty, sixty or even a hundred times what was sown.” 1 Corinthians 310 By the grace God has given me, I laid a foundation as an expert builder, and someone else is building on it. But each one…[Read more]

Daniel 4:17This matter is by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men.Not sure if the angels are referenced here as the watchers, holy ones or both.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was god. John 1:14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.   So Jesus was the Logos. But some say that Logos means plan and does not mean that the…[Read more]

Christ pre-existed. Scripture is clear about that.Colossians 1:17He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. John 1:3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. John 8:58 “I tell you the truth,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!” Micah 5:2 “But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though…[Read more]