To Nick, How has joejoe preached a false gospel? I thought that he preached straight from scripture. Perhaps I overlooked something?Also regarding losing ones salvation, I offer the following:Colossians 1:21-2321 Once you were alienated from God and were enemies in your minds because of your evil behavior. 22 But now he has reconciled you by…[Read more]

Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Dec. 15 2004,18:06)Now, I ask you again, where is your concept of being “begotten before the world began” coming from? Where is it in scripture?To WIT, Apart from the scriptures I have already quoted regarding Christs pre-existence, you should read the first chapter of John with careful consideration.I also offer you the…[Read more]

Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Dec. 15 2004,12:39)If the term “son of God” is exclusive to the messiah, and can not refer to men, then there are some OT writers who need some rebuking:To WIT, We are sons of God and there are many. But Jesus is excuslively the Son of God.In the same way there are many gods but there is but one God the Father. He is the God.

Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Dec. 15 2004,12:39)Revelations 1:”5and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth.”Colossians 1:”18And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the…[Read more]

Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Dec. 14 2004,17:46)Romans 1:”3Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; 4And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:”(Note: This would be a perfect time for Paul to say that “Jesus” was born of…[Read more]

Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Dec. 14 2004,17:46)So now, from what I gather, “Jesus” is not just “The Logos”, he is the embodiment of everything that God is.  So, what exactly is his identity again?  Is he “the Word” in identity?  Is he “the Truth” in identity?  Is he “the Way” in identity?  Is he “the Life” in identity?To WIT, Jesus said I am the way, the…[Read more]

Quote (Guest @ Dec. 13 2004,19:00)i want to pursue love because i have come to the belief that truth can only be found through love… i can understand your difficulty with this – i have also believed as you do…let me ask you something (and don't answer until you've thought this through completely – i'm not interested in stock answers and bible…[Read more]

Logos means thought/word/expression and other things.John teaches us that the Logos was WITH God and the Logos was divine or godlike or of God. John also teaches us that the Logos took on flesh and we know that it was Yahshua who this is referring to.So was the Logos that took flesh created at the moment of Yashua's conception into this world.…[Read more]

LOGOSStrong's Number: 3056of speech a word, uttered by a living voice, embodies a conception or idea what someone has said a word the sayings of God decree, mandate or order of the moral precepts given by God Old Testament prophecy given by the prophets what is declared, a thought, declaration, aphorism, a weighty saying, a dictum, a maxim…[Read more]

Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Dec. 11 2004,17:27)Since you trust in “Jesus” and in Yahweh, and you believe neither to be a man, then is it safe to say that you trust in two gods?I trust in God and his son.Yes there are many gods, but for me there is one God the Father and Jesus is my Lord.

Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Dec. 11 2004,12:36)(i.e.  Yeshua is really the direct seed of God, and David has nothing to do with his existence whatsoever.)To WhatisTrue, What I say is not a complete answer, but I offer it for consideration.If we can be the children of Abraham even though we are not direct descendants of him, then perhaps Jesus can be the…[Read more]

Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Dec. 11 2004,12:36)You are painting with a pretty broad brush using that one verse.  By your interpretation, we shouldn't even trust Jeremiah, or any scripture, as they came to us by men.  Those that believe that Yeshua was a man believe that he was God's special annointed one – (that is the very definition of messiah, or c…[Read more]

I sometimes think that our spirit is like a drop of water and God who is Spirit is like an ocean. This is how we can be one with God, not in flesh but one in spirit. Just as a drop of water dropped into a lake becomes one with the lake so it is with spirit. But we do not lose our identity. God is God in identity and we have our own identity, for…[Read more]

Quote (Guest @ Dec. 10 2004,17:34)why do we seek knowledge when we know that we don't truly understand love? – or am i the only one that feels this way?We can seek both and if we make love the priority then we do well. Both are good, but love is better.I agree that we shouldn't be arguing to prove who is right, rather what is right. But if we love…[Read more]

Taken from the Logos discussion and put here as promised.I see it like this:We are our soul. That is who we are, our identity.What we are is flesh (man), that is our nature.We have awareness because the Spirit of God has given us life. So the Spirit is of God is a part of God that God can take back for himself. But the Spirit of God that we…[Read more]

To WhatisTrue,Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Dec. 09 2004,17:48)OK.  So if I understand you correctly, man is just a body. The soul and spirit of a man together are the breath of God.So is it fair to say that we are not really men at all, but are, in actuality, the very breath of God, since at death, we don't really die at all but merely discard the body,…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 09 2004,14:53)Hi WIT,The definition is strange to our ears but it is God's definition of man in Gen 2.7. Soul and spirit of Man, from the same source, is the Breath of God. Is the Breath of God the essence of God? No. I don't think anyone would teach that natural man contains the essence of God. He contains life…[Read more]

Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Dec. 09 2004,13:44)If Greek thinking was key in discerning the nature and the arrival of the Messiah, why did God withhold such wisdom from His chosen people in their most sacred writings?  Why does the OT issue such strong injunctions against having anything to do with the culture of foreign peoples?  Was God purposely t…[Read more]

Hi, I have been very busy lately and haven't been able to give much attention to the latest discussions. But just some thoughts that have been in my mind lately regarding the Logos.It appears that most who discuss here in this discussion believe that God is one, namely the Father, YHWH, etc.Most here also believe that the Logos is of God and we…[Read more]

To whoever,Does man have a body, soul and spirit?If so, what part of a man is our identity?Does Jesus have a body soul and spirit?I read through the posts quickly but haven't had much time lately, so I haven't been able to take everything in.