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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 11 2005,20:31)No t8 is barely recognisable from his avatarBut you haven't seen me in a full suit of armour have you? :)

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 21 years, 6 months ago

    Quote Hi t8,you don't understand me? Scripture does not say Jesus is the Father. It says he is the Son of God. Liljon is convinced Jesus is Yahweh which makes him his own father. So he has taken the 'Oneness' false trail.Yes true Nick.I must have been tired when I read it. Makes perfect sense now. I also thought I was replying to someone elses…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 21 years, 6 months ago

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 13 2005,11:50)Nowhere does it say the Son is the same as the Father of the Son.???

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    I love to hear testimonies. They always have a message that is relevant to anyone if they have ears to listen.Thanks Cubes.

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 21 years, 6 months ago

    Working in vain. Works not built on truth will crumble and you are helping others to believe in the lie.

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    Interesting take Rudy. I pretty much see it that way too, but am open to it being a parable for something else too. However I never made a connection with the breaking of the seals and their prophecy. They tormented those on the earth and it could be at the same time as opening of the seals or pouring out of the bowls.

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    I should add that 'witnessess' have a testimony. That's what witnesses do. They testify. We see the same thing in a court. They testify of what they have seen or what they have been told.

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    Yes we do and we represent Christ and his God. But these 2 stand before God perhaps in a similar way that archangels stand before God. So if their ministry is similar to ours then does that strengthen the position that they are men like us?Perhaps they are like us, just as archangels are angels? 'Archmen' so to speak.

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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 09 2005,21:17)Fair enough t8, So they are not offering hope but judgement?I guess that they may be offering hope, but as we know the people will not repent, so they receive judgment, even through these 2 witnessess.It says that they tormented those on the earth and the people give presents to one another when they are…[Read more]

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    To Nick, You say that both witnesses have all the attributes. But it does seem uncannily similar to both the attributes and actions of these men. If they are 2 men at all, then you would have to assume that they are in unity of Spirit. So together they could do those things by God's ordination. When we are one we tend to share the things that God…[Read more]

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    Hi Nick, They are called witnesses because they bring judgement to the people.Deuteronomy 17:6On the testimony of two or three witnesses a man shall be put to death, but no one shall be put to death on the testimony of only one witness.Matthew 18:16But if he will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established b…[Read more]

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    We appear to have 12000 from each tribe (Israel) and 2 who represent all mankind.It seems that God has representitives from the tribes of Israel and then all mankind (including the Gentiles). There are even 24 elders in Heaven. God has a kingdom and in that Kingdom are positions of authority. Jesus said that we can rule and reign with him on his…[Read more]

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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 01 2005,23:40)Hi, We know that Jesus is shown with the sword coming out of his mouth,?symbolising judgement by the Word of God. Why do the two witnesses have fire coming out of their mouths? Is it the judgement of the earth by Fire as in 2 Peter?Elijah called fire down from heaven to consume his enemies. Once he did it…[Read more]

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    Hi guys, I'm back from the Daintree and I have a suntan.Enjoyed the rainforest. Swam in the rivers, saw waterfalls, crocodiles, huge spiders, kangaroos, emus and beautiful birds and colourful butterflies.We rented a 4WD, but it had a resident that I couldn't get rid of, (a huntsman spider I think). It managed to hide under the car even at speeds…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic The antichrist in the forum Prophecy 21 years, 6 months ago

    He is revealed when that which restrains is taken away.What/who is the restraint?2Thesselonians 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth , until he be taken out of the way. 8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume…[Read more]

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    I am going to the Barrier Reef and the Daintree rainforest tomorrow (with my wife). This is the only place in the world where 2 World Heritage areas meet. I went there once before and to this day I have never seen a place as idyllic. I'm going there to take photos for a website. So I won't be online much for the next 8 days.Hope you don't get too…[Read more]

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    To trettep, I would say that we can be saved now. But that we can lose it. If we hold onto it till we die then we cannot lose it after that.Revelation 3:5He who overcomes will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out his name from the book of life, but will acknowledge his name before my Father and his angels.So we must overcome, but…[Read more]

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    An Iranian Moslem I knew who came to New Zealand was converted to Christ. He believed that Jesus Christ was the son of God and the messiah. He believed all the gospel message and was willing with repentance.However this really unthoughtful christian told him that he must also believe in the Trinity Doctrine to be a true christian. My friend said…[Read more]

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    Yes that is certainly true. Well said.Our words are powerful and we are judged by them. False belief causes people to speak false things. This is how the Father of Lies creates abominations through mankind.When a man flies a plane into a building and cries out Allah, he finds himself in torment, not Heaven. False prophets and doctrine cause men to…[Read more]

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    Hi Cubes, My wife is from Colombia and her first language is Spanish. She has just got her residency and now that she can get charged local rates at university she will be going there. She is a lawyer in Colombia (a dangerous occupation) and needs to upgrade certain areas to practice law here.She still finds it amazing how safe it is here. Even…[Read more]

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