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    This discussion will start with a post from myself, followed by a post from Isaiah. After Isaiah has made his post, other members are free to give feedback on this scripture or the arguments made by myself or Isaiah.

    Isaiah can PM me when he is ready to post his rebuttal.

    Thanks.

    1 John 4:12
    No one has ever seen God; but if we love one…
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    Hi Not3in1.Quote (Not3in1 @ May 14 2007,04:25)Isn't this a funny example of how we all see what we want to see OR what we think we see……. This is also true of how we look at scripture sometimes. It's how we can have a half a dozen different views on the same verse.:)Yes sometimes a verse can appear to say something contradictory and we need to…[Read more]

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    I think that the most likely scenario is that the English is not grammatically correct and that he is asking for help for an existing addiction. Obviously most just overlooked the sentence structure and assumed the obvious. If the English is correct and he is actually looking for an addiction, then I recommend the love of God. You can't go any…[Read more]

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    Just thought that I would add this.The harlot rides on the back of the beast.If Rome is the beast (kingdom), and we know that it was Rome that forged the new religion from the bible through Constantine, then it is not hard to understand how that harlot rides on the back of the beast.This particular faith eventually became known as the Roman…[Read more]

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    The world is under the sway of the evil one.The world is pretty big. That would be mainstream.

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    To WJ.Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 19 2007,04:00)I fully understand what a cult is.You may be aware of the mother of all cults.The Roman Catholic faith.Their foundation is the following:And the Catholic Faith is this, that we worship one God in Trinity and Trinity in Unity. Neither confounding the Persons, nor dividing the Substance. For there is…[Read more]

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    Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 19 2007,07:27)Quote (t8 @ May 18 2007,12:12)So WorshippingJesus.From what you have said, I take that you hold to the view that Jesus created all things and that the he created all these things through himself.Is this a correct interpretation of your position?t8Is that all the response that you have?Rom 11:36For of…[Read more]

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    So WorshippingJesus.From what you have said, I take that you hold to the view that Jesus created all things and that the he created all these things through himself.Is this a correct interpretation of your position?

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    Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 10 2007,12:29)t8Jn 1:3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.Again t8.If Jesus shared in the creation and he was not the Word that was with God and the Word that was God, but instead as you say “the word was divine” then you contradict the Hebrew scriptures…WJ.I have asked…[Read more]

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    Quote (marthinus @ May 17 2007,23:13)Hi CultBJust to clear things up I dont believe what the Arians and Jehova Witnesses believe. I do not believe that Jesus was a created being. My Belief is based on what I see and read in scripture, and I ask myself Why did Jesus not just say it in clear unambigous terms that he is God in the same clear way…[Read more]

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    Quote (t8 @ May 10 2007,04:49)Quote (t8 @ May 07 2007,18:47)Quote (t8 @ April 23 2007,16:20)Quote (Cult Buster @ April 17 2007,19:20)Hi t8. We could argue over Bible translations or play word games, but the scripture tells us that only God was involved in creation.Hi CultB.So like I said, you do not believe that God made all things THROUGH Christ.…[Read more]

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    Aiming for this weekend.:)

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    That which is flesh is flesh.That which is spirit is spirit.The flesh cannot understand the things of the spirit. Those who are ruled by the flesh think the things of the spirit are foolishness.

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    Quote (Is 1:18 @ May 08 2007,14:24)Q) Did YHWH declare, using the first person singular pronoun “me”, in Zechariah 12:10 that He would be “pierced” and “looked upon”?A) Yes. (t8 has conceded to this)t8 hasn't conceded. He thinks that (if the translation is correct) that there is a ME and HIM. ME appears to be Yahweh, HIM appears to be Christ given…[Read more]

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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 10 2007,01:57)Hi CB, It is not a reasonable presumption to conclude by logic that Jesus is the God of Jesus. Back to the drawing boards.Good one Nick. :D

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    Quote (WhatIsTrue @ May 10 2007,05:22)This is what is known as wishful translation on the part of Trinitarians. As Kyle points out, the Zechariah passage, (as quoted by Is 1:18), reads awkwardly, and makes little literal sense. However, the Revised Standard Version translates the same passage this way:”And I will pour out on the house of David…[Read more]

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    Quote (Kyle @ May 08 2007,15:03)I find this quite interesting. T8's view of this verse troubles me a bit. I don't see how it's grammatically impossible for it to refer to YHWH as the one being pierced. That seems to me to be the most plain understanding of this scripture. It does seem a bit odd that the one speaking would say “me” and then…[Read more]

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    I agree. Yes indeed there is one firstborn son (prototype) and there are many sons.As far as divine nature goes: have you not read that we will partake in divine nature?

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    To WJ.Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 09 2007,03:19)Jn 17:3And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, *and Jesus Christ*, whom thou hast sent.Jesus never mentioned in his prayer that knowing us would be Eternal life did he?I am not saying this. I am simply pointing out that if the Father and the son are one, that is not…[Read more]

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    To WJ.Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 09 2007,03:19)Yeshua and the Father is in us and we are in “Them”.Ring a bell?Gen 1:26And God said, *Let us* make man *in our image, after our likeness*: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing…[Read more]

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