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Proclaimer replied to the topic Trinity – t8's proof text #3 in the forum Debates 19 years, 2 months ago
Quote (Is 1:18 @ July 23 2007,21:00)There is no question that YHWH has been seen….So you are saying:1) God is invisible2) YHWH has been seen.Okay each to there own, but I don't think many are going to follow you with this one.But then again we shouldn't be drawing men away from the truth in the first place.
Proclaimer replied to the topic Trinity – t8's proof text #3 in the forum Debates 19 years, 2 months ago
Quote (Is 1:18 @ July 23 2007,20:55)Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 01 2007,22:28)From a trinitarian’s perspective, I see two possible scenarios that could account for the contravention between 1 John 4:12 and the passages I cited:1. It’s true that the Father has never been seen but another, also named YHWH, has.2.The word theos in 1 John 4:12 does not ref…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Apostacy in the forum Scriptural Teachings 19 years, 2 months ago
When men want to believe in something then sometimes even truth won't stop them.
Proclaimer replied to the topic Trinity – t8's proof text #3 in the forum Debates 19 years, 2 months ago
John 1:18No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.Do you know better than John?What else are we to think from your interpretation?Surely you must be confused about this.You must see contradiction.No man has seen God at any time says John. You say otherwise and then give us…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic The Church Fathers 100AD- 250AD in the forum Truth or Tradition 19 years, 2 months ago
Although Trinitarians love to quote from these guys to prove that the Trinity was at least accepted back then, in actual fact these writers mostly condemn the Trinity doctrine as stated today.That is not to say that there writings are all inspired, but if anything I can at least see that they didn't believe in the Trinity as known today.Most of…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Trinity – t8's proof text #1 in the forum Debates 19 years, 2 months ago
Those who preach Babylonian doctrine do it because of pride in their own understanding. Those who are led by the Spirit will be set free from such.
Proclaimer replied to the topic Trinity – t8's proof text #1 in the forum Debates 19 years, 2 months ago
Quote (Cult Buster @ July 23 2007,14:12)t8. So what you just said is that the Holy Spirit is God.Correct. What's so funny about that?The LORD is the Spirit. It is God's Spirit. All good comes from God. He is also the Father of all spirits, (but isn't the blame for bad spirits).He isn't a third member of a Triune God.There isn't 2 or 3 Spirits that…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Trinity – t8's proof text #2 in the forum Debates 19 years, 2 months ago
Quote (Cult Buster @ July 23 2007,14:00)t8. You still haven't answered the question.Do you believe that God has the form of God
Do you believe that God is Elohiym1) God is God and no one has seen his form. He isn't the recipient of divine nature, he is the origin. 2) Elohim is used of God/YHWH, angel, sons of God, idols.You don't need reformation,…[Read more]Proclaimer replied to the topic Trinity – Is 1:18's proof text #1 in the forum Debates 19 years, 2 months ago
Quote (Cult Buster @ July 23 2007,13:16)Rev 22:21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.
Tit 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,Oh right, of course, there is the Trinity right there. 
Proclaimer replied to the topic Trinity – Is 1:18's proof text #1 in the forum Debates 19 years, 2 months ago
Yes Nick.We should listen to the shepherd, but CultB is trying to get us to listen to him and if we were silly enough to do that, then he would lead us straight back to Babylon and we would end up following a God substance that contains 3 persons.He is trying to lead God's people into captivity.To all. Beware of CultB's leaven.
Proclaimer replied to the topic Trinity – Is 1:18's Proof Text #2 in the forum Debates 19 years, 2 months ago
CultB, why don't you just cut to the chase and tell us to listen to you and not the true shepherd?Be honest about it.
Proclaimer replied to the topic Trinity – t8's proof text #2 in the forum Debates 19 years, 2 months ago
It stands to reason that Christ came from God and is like him and from him. That doesn't mean that he is the one by whom he came.He is the visible image of the invisible God. He is the manifestation of the glory, power, and wisdom of God.You cannot seem to grasp the meaning of One true God and his image and son. You don't need a degree to…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Trinity – t8's proof text #1 in the forum Debates 19 years, 2 months ago
To CultBQuote (Cult Buster @ July 23 2007,13:00)Try again!Luk 4:1 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,Luk 4:2 Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered.Luk 4:12 And Jesus answering said unto…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Trinity – t8's proof text #3 in the forum Debates 19 years, 2 months ago
Quote (Cult Buster @ July 23 2007,11:50)kejonn. I think that your eyes may be glazed over.Why did they fall backwards? Can't you just answer the question!Because he was/is Jesus Christ.Is that not enough?Is the son of God not enough, even though men worshipped angels when they saw them.
Proclaimer replied to the topic Trinity – Is 1:18's proof text #1 in the forum Debates 19 years, 2 months ago
Quote (Cult Buster @ July 23 2007,12:13)Rev 22:21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.And now let's look at the context.Revelation 1:1The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John,So there we have it. God > Christ >…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Trinity – t8's proof text #2 in the forum Debates 19 years, 2 months ago
Quote (Cult Buster @ July 23 2007,12:09)Phi 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:Phi 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:Phi 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:Phi 2:8 And being found in fashion as…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Trinity – t8's proof text #2 in the forum Debates 19 years, 2 months ago
Quote (Cult Buster @ July 23 2007,12:09)Quote (t8 @ July 23 2007,15:45)God didn't die.God didn't pray to God.God didn't empty himself.God didn't contain himself exclusively in a body of flesh.God doesn't have a mother/There is no mother of God.This is another gospel and it is also ridiculous to believe and teach such things.Repentance is required…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Trinity – t8's proof text #1 in the forum Debates 19 years, 2 months ago
Quote (Is 1:18 @ July 21 2007,14:41)I missed this, where is quote showing Ignatius' warning?Ignatius, who is Theophorus, to the Church which has received grace through the greatness of the Father Most High. (Third Epistle).I have learned that certain of the ministers of Satan have wished to disturb you, some of them asserting that Jesus was born…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Trinity – t8's proof text #2 in the forum Debates 19 years, 2 months ago
God didn't die.God didn't pray to God.God didn't empty himself.God didn't contain himself exclusively in a body of flesh.God doesn't have a mother/There is no mother of God.This is another gospel and it is also ridiculous to believe and teach such things.Repentance is required for those who teach such things.
Proclaimer replied to the topic Trinity – Is 1:18's Proof Text #2 in the forum Debates 19 years, 2 months ago
CultB, your words demonstrate that you reject Jesus, Paul, and Peter's teachings.The problem is in your heart.Scripture is there to guide, rebuke, and encourage you.If you reject scripture then we cannot help you. You are on your own with that. You will have to give an account for all that you have taught and said. So I guess that you will be…[Read more]
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