Hey this is a good topic.

Quote (kejonn @ Aug. 14 2007,01:40)Yeah, I was starting to miss WJ. I had to go to other boards and debate Trinitarians there. Those folks don't match WJ so it was a hollow feeling.There is no greater Trinitarian than WJ.But he who believes and teaches the truth is greater than he.

Quote (Is 1:18 @ Aug. 13 2007,21:10)Seriously t8, how would you expect me to answer such an ill-conceived question…..and I think I see where this line of questioning is going, I'll save you the trouble by preempting it. Yeshua, Adam and myself are all human. None of us are any more or less human than the other. As to Yeshua's humanity He is just…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ Aug. 13 2007,21:10)Seriously t8, how would you expect me to answer such an ill-conceived question…..and I think I see where this line of questioning is going, I'll save you the trouble by preempting it. Yeshua, Adam and myself are all human. None of us are any more or less human than the other. As to Yeshua's humanity He is just…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ Aug. 12 2007,23:31)On the point of nothing coming from nothing, how do you propose matter came into existence? To simply categorise it as the unexplainable work of a creator is to do no better, and in my opinion considerably worse that the Big Bang theory, imperfect though it is.Sorry Stu, but believing that a big bang came from…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ Aug. 10 2007,19:42)Hi t8++”The universe creates the human eye, and humans with intelligence and billions of dollars of research cannot even come close to what so-called non-intelligence can do.This is of course a very small example.Look at anything in creation and man cannot match it.Do our planes fly as well as a dragonfly?Do our r…[Read more]

I await your direct answer then.

Quote (Is 1:18 @ Aug. 12 2007,22:04)Quote (t8 @ Aug. 12 2007,22:02)There are not just options in life Isaiah, there are also different paradigms. Sometimes the paradimn you are in may have different options, but it may be the wrong paradimn.I will ask the same question you have:If Yeshua was a man then he would have to be either:1. More man than…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ Aug. 12 2007,22:02)“For by these He has granted to us His precious and magnificent promises, so that by them you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world by lust.”Oh I see. That somehow means that we cannot partake in divine nature?The second part doesn't nullify the first.

There are not just options in life Isaiah, there are also different paradigms. Sometimes the paradimn you are in may have different options, but it may be the wrong paradimn.I will ask the same question you have:If Yeshua was a man then he would have to be either:1. More man than Adam.2. As much of a man as Adam3. Less man than the Adam.What is…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ Aug. 12 2007,21:43)Maybe you should spend some time wondering about such things. After all the Bible solemnly warns against polytheism. To affirm that more than one divine beings exist is polytheism in it's essence.I take it then that you will not partake in divine nature yourself for fear of being another God and thereby making…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ Aug. 12 2007,21:24)I assumed you held to the second, as to affirm the first would be overt bithesim. But maybe I was mistaken. You can set the record straight t8 right now. Which is true?Another example of your closed mind. As if there were only 2 options.I can see it now. Your mind says Athanasius or Arius and you choose…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ Aug. 12 2007,21:24)My question was based on these comments you wrote (emphasis is mine):Quote The most natural reading of John 1:1 shows that there are two beings here (not three): God and a second who was 'theos' but this second is related to God in a manner which shows that God is the absolute over which the second is defined.…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ Aug. 12 2007,21:24)You explicitly wrote that ho Logos was a “divine being”. There are only two conclusions I could draw from your statement:1. The Son is equally divine as the Father.2. The Son is a lesser divinity that the Father.1) The Father is the origin of divine nature.2) The son is the recipient of all things that come from…[Read more]

Paul said that when he passed away that deceptions and men drawing men away from Christ would come.This fits in with the rise of the Trinity doctrine, for it started to take it's form after Paul left.You talk about the future as more people falling into henotheism/polytheism everyday.But I can tell you that Christ is coming back for a Church…[Read more]

It's up to you Isaiah to continue to believe the Trinity doctrine or not. But I know that everyday more and more people are seeing through this darkness. Eventually there will be an army of people who know that such doctrines are but prisons of the soul.You can't stop the light with darkness and ignorance. The only thing that can stop light is if…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ Aug. 12 2007,11:42)Q3) In reciprocation to what I have written in my post, can you show how the grammar and context of John 1:1-3 supports your view that the prehuman Jesus (ho Logos) was a lesser divinity than the Father (ton Theon)?Where is it also written that sons of the most high are lesser divinities?It is written for all to…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ Aug. 12 2007,11:39)John 10:34/Psa 82:6 was the best you could come up with?? The “gods” in this psalm are in fact “wicked” Israelite judges who “judge unjustly”, “show partiality to the wicked”, “walk about in darkness” and will “die like men and fall like any one of the princes”….T8, they are men, who are called “gods” by YHWH…[Read more]

Quote (Oxy @ Aug. 11 2007,12:55)While it is true that God is three, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, the are not co-equal.What is wrong with your statement Oxy? Let us see what is written:Mark 12:29“The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one.Mark 12:32“Well said, teacher,” the man replied.…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 13 2007,23:26)Q3) In reciprocation to what I have written in my post, can you show how the grammar and context of John 1:1-3 supports your view that the prehuman Jesus (ho Logos) was a lesser divinity than the Father (ton Theon)?Scipture makes it clear that Jesus taught that his Father was greater than himself.We know that we…[Read more]