Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 18 2009,17:30)T8…….The problem you have with the word (through) it can equally be (FOR) or (by) the same word is used interchangeably through out scripture as i recall.To Gene.Colossians 1:15-16 16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or…[Read more]

Your argument is not with my imagination, but scripture.Also, I haven't died yet.John 5:28Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,Matthew 27:52and the tombs were opened; and many bodies of the saints that had fallen asleep were raised;This event is mentioned in more than one gospel.

Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 19 2009,06:45)Hi Martian,Just want to interject something here.  The logos of John 1:1 “was with” God in an active voice not a passive voice.  Do you understand the difference.  It has to do with Greek grammar. A plan doesn't do an action but is passive and acted upon.  The verb “was” here, is written in an active voice and…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 17 2009,18:54)Nick………..So your God is stupid then and only has the Knowledge or intellect of whats good, how stupid can anyone be to believe that. You can say what you want about my God but He has (ALL) intellect of (ALL) thing Both good and evil and know How and when to use them also. And naturally it would sound…[Read more]

Agreed. By trusting scholars without question is to put your trust in man.

Hi sirius1.Thanks for your observations and encouragements.I have to say that in living in a doubtful generation, no matter what is thrown at me, I think that it is almost impossible for me not to believe and would be a great sin if I chose to fall away from God because of such great revelation and proof.Paul said it like this in Hebrews 6:4-6:4…[Read more]

Hi sirius1.Thanks for your observations and encouragements.I have to say that in living in a doubtful generation, no matter what is thrown at me, I think that it is almost impossible for me not to believe and would be a great sin if I chose to fall away from God because of such great revelation and proof.Paul said it like this in Hebrews 6:4-6:4…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 17 2009,21:39)What is the Greek word that translates as “through”?Hi Kerwin.Hebrews 1:2but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe.Many try and write this verse off by saying that it is not saying that God created all things through him, but…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 17 2009,21:39)There is also the argument that scripture states he did not speak to the people until these last days.Hi kerwin.What scripture?This one?Hebrews 1:2but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe.Coz if it is, then it doesn't say…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 17 2009,17:34)Quote (t8 @ Jan. 17 2009,16:47)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 17 2009,04:45)T8………..If you understand that the word (GOD) is the uniplural expression of the LORD (HE EXISTS) with Powers, it even clears up John 1:1. The word (WORD) is the combined intellect that controls those POWERS, and thats what was…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 17 2009,04:45)T8………..If you understand that the word (GOD) is the uniplural expression of the LORD (HE EXISTS) with Powers, it even clears up John 1:1. The word (WORD) is the combined intellect that controls those POWERS, and thats what was in the beginning and created everything and it also is the light…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 16 2009,19:09)Hi t8, The word is translated as Messenger nearly 100 times in the OT. How many do you think should rather be ANGEL?Don't know really, but my point stands. i.e., that we trust the translators to tell us what type of messenger by using different meanings that they decide.I just happened to think that it is…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 17 2009,04:13)Do i agree with the points you posted?#1…..no#2…..yes or no….depending on what you mean by (BEFORE)#3…..no…if you are implying Jesus.#4…..no…he was not before his berth on earth#5…..no…maybe give or take 50 years#6…..yes or no………need more understanding of the text.Thanks for…[Read more]

The biggest shame here is that he has deceived many and now many must be disillusioned. Hopefully they don't blame God because of him.

Quote (discipleelohim @ Feb. 21 2008,02:41)Ronald Weinland Predicts Large Attack On US & Opening of the Seventh Seal of Revelation & Begining of World War IIIAPRIL 2008 IS THE BEGINING OF THE GREAT TRIBULATION ACCORDING TOO RONALD WEINLAND Has anybody heard of this guy? I stumbled accross him the other day at his…[Read more]

After all that I have forgotten.I think it was complete destruction of the USA.I will have a look at some of the claims in the beginning.

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 16 2009,15:21)t8……..and no scripture you posted say He preexisted in any form what so ever. You have to slightly force the text to say that. Don't you think that such a issue would have been a big part of the gospel,  and thoroughly explained in great detail if it were true.peace and love  to you and y…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 16 2009,15:17)Scripture is also more clear that God Created everything by himself and aloneOK, then how do you explain the following:Genesis 1:26Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 16 2009,04:15)martian….Amen brother, if we don't see Jesus as a simple human being just like us we are pushing him away from our real identity, Saying he preexisted as some kind of super being or what ever, Separates Him from our exact identity. Good post brother.love and peace to you and…[Read more]

Still not holding my breath?