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    Quote (CatholicApologist @ Sep. 18 2009,20:43)But it does.  You are by nature and substance a man.  That is WHAT you are.You missed the point.My nature is human. That makes me adam. But I am not Adam.I am a man/adam, but not the man/adam identified as Adam who was the first man.Even Eve is adam. But she is not Adam.Christ existed in the FORM of G…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 17 years, 1 month ago

    Jesus is either the only way or not. He said that all who came before him, (who claimed to be the way/light/door) were robbers.Jesus was either wrong or right. If there are other Christ's then he is not the only way, and by reason of that, he is a liar which by the way rules out any possibility that he is even one of the ways. For no lie or liar…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 17 years, 1 month ago

    Quote (RokkaMan @ Sep. 17 2009,04:08)Quote (t8 @ Sep. 16 2009,18:42)And why is God as well as Jesus mentioned?That alone proves that God and Jesus are different identities.Uhh? Trinitarian view agrees with you.Same being, different identity…lolWrong.It is saying God and Jesus, not the Father and Jesus. God and Jesus are identied as different…[Read more]

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    Quote (RokkaMan @ Sep. 17 2009,04:53)John 5: 16And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day. 17But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work. 18Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 17 years, 1 month ago

    Resurrection of the dead and reincarnation are not part of the same elephant.

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    I am not sure what you are, but labels are not important compared to what is in your heart. Carnal men love labels and like to ask if you are a follower of Paul, Peter, Jesus, Athanasius, Arius, etc. God is the source, and Jesus is the image of God. An image comes from a source. An image is not the source. God is the source because he is the…[Read more]

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    Quote (CatholicApologist @ Sep. 18 2009,19:58)Here you are 2,000 years after the fact.  Koine Greek is not your native tongue.  Yet you presume to be an authority on it's tenses and meanings.  Yet you not only reject the apostles of the first century.  You have the gall to reject the fathers of the church who also spoke this language.  I don&…[Read more]

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    Quote (CatholicApologist @ Sep. 18 2009,20:00)You would do well to keep in mind that the Catholic/Universal faith was the only Christian faith there was.  Thus the title “universal.”  The universal/catholic church and the Roman Universal/Catholic church are not the same thing.

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    Quote (thethinker @ Sep. 18 2009,04:50)Kathi said:Quote Like I said…they follow me around from thread to thread (just watch) and the harassing does not stop. They just show up and want to pull punches and their arrogant animations…twisting my words, false assumptions.  It is endless!  Lord give me a heart to forgive…that is my p…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 17 years, 1 month ago

    Quote (Cato @ Sep. 18 2009,02:39)“A truly religious man should think that other religions also are paths leading to the truth. We should always maintain an attitude of respect towards other religions.” RamakrishnaTruth is absolute and like light it shines in the darkness. You cannot have 2 truths that contradict. Either it is light or it is…[Read more]

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    Quote (CatholicApologist @ Sep. 18 2009,14:05)that Jesus is the uncreated Logos who being in nature and substance, GodBeing in nature or substance of someone/someone doesn't identify you as that someone. E.g., God is Spirit. He is the one Spirit, (one Spirit, one Faith…).Yet angels are ministering spirits and they are not God. Therefore being…[Read more]

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    Quote (CatholicApologist @ Sep. 18 2009,10:54)The recognition of the Catholic Church as the one Christ established was so strong—given its centuries of existence, its ubiquity in Europe, and the absence of any plausible rival in tracing its roots back to Christ—that it created severe cognitive dissonance that Protestant leaders had to find way…[Read more]

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    Quote (thethinker @ Sep. 15 2009,07:30)CA,I checked it out and it's real good. The owner of this site (t8) believes that “God” in John 1:1c should be understood qualitatively. He thinks that this disproves trinitarianism when actually it establishes the trinitarian doctrine.thinkerJohn 6:70Then Jesus replied, “Have I not chosen you, the Twelve?…[Read more]

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    Quote (thethinker @ Sep. 18 2009,11:39)CA,I was not aware that the Catholics were such excellent trinitarian apologists. I am happy to learn that such good apologists are out there.thinkerThinker, They defined the doctrine, so it should be a given that they are best at defending it. It is their foundation and without their foundation, they say…[Read more]

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    Quote (CatholicApologist @ Sep. 18 2009,13:44)I'm embarrassed for you that I have to spell this out. You must have never read this passage. If you had, you wouldn't have skipped this part:”She gave birth to a son, a male child, destined to rule all the nations with an iron rod. 5 Her child was caught up to God and his throne.” – 12:5(see also…[Read more]

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    Quote (CatholicApologist @ Sep. 18 2009,13:51)Remember I said that it is a type of Mary AND the Church.v. 6 God protects the persecuted church in the desert, the traditional Old Testament place of refuge for the afflicted, according to the typology of the ExodusThe woman fled into the wilderness. The Church, in the times of persecutions, must be…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 17 years, 1 month ago

    Quote (thethinker @ Sep. 18 2009,04:29)Quote (Gene @ Sep. 18 2009,04:00)CA…..Your poison will not work on those who are lead by the Spirit of GOD, they don't follow a papa, they follow the SON of the LIVING GOD, and give glory to who He gave all The Glory to,  OUR HEAVENLY FATHER. Your teachings of traditions and rituals and Chantings mean…[Read more]

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    Good question. Was Mary 3.5 years in the wilderness?

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    Quote (CatholicApologist @ Sep. 18 2009,06:37)No, we don't know that this is Israel.  It was Mary who gave birth to Jesus Christ.  She is the “woman” of Gen. 3:15.  She through her Son crushed the head of the serpent.  We must see this passage in light of salvation history from beginning to end.  So you must take the advice of the fathers and look…[Read more]

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    Quote (CatholicApologist @ Sep. 18 2009,06:37)But at the same time God's goal is not to confuse us. In a book of this nature, these things are spiritually discerned. Not only does the church's interpretation make the most sense, but we must also consider that it was to her that these things were written.God is not the author of confusion, but he…[Read more]

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