Sorry but look at the facts.It is clearly taught that Jesus performed miracles and died, then rose again.The Trinity doctrine at best is inferred and at worse is a lie.I believe it to be the latter. A lie.

As for the descriptions you mention from Revelation, well there could be a number of ways to see it. One way is that Rome could be nuked by an Islamic nation. She would then be burned with fire, and if the Vatican fell, then that domino could make all others fall or become extremely weak as there would be no more government and pope. The wine…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 04 2009,12:42)But how is it assumed that the scripture is speaking about Catholocism?Revelation 18 1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory. 2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is…[Read more]

But not all Christians are of her.And of the ones that are, it says “Come out of her MY people”.

Quote (thethinker @ Oct. 03 2009,20:36)t8 said:Quote you still have to contend with the fact that we will be like himExcept for God's form. thinkerJesus calls us brothers, so we will be like him.We will be like kind.It is a promise and something to greatly look forward to.This whole God/Man/Trinity thing is pointless. I prefer to be taught by the…[Read more]

What about “Why Catholic not 'Roman Catholic'”With the caption, “Includes historical references of good works”A bit confusing I know. Perhaps you come up with something better, that describes the nature of this discussion now?

Quote (CatholicApologist @ Oct. 03 2009,11:38)The only problem with that is the title you chose.  I refuse to post under that other title.Change the title of the other one to reflect objectivity like this one and I'd be glad to.Please respond before shutting this down.In order to keep this discussion alive, it needs to be different to the other…[Read more]

I haven't read all of the good fruits that CA has posted, but my opinion from what I have read is that if any of these accounts are true and they were Catholics as in Pope followers, then the fruit is theirs, not the RCC organisation itself.What I am talking about or addressing in this discussion is not the fruit of Catholics as I am sure there is…[Read more]

CA wrote the following in another post as fruit for the Roman Catholic Church which he calls the Catholic Church.Quote You want fruit. I don't think you're ready for what you're going to get. This thread might end up very long indeed. But here we go:ST. FULGENTIUS, Bishop.IN spite of family troubles and delicate health, Fulgentius was appointed…[Read more]

I should also mention that the world is changing CA.The printing press had a profound impact on your Church because others were able to mass produce bibles and give it to people to read. This was in a time when the RCC didn't allow peasants or commoners to read the bible.Today an even bigger invention will make an even bigger impact on your…[Read more]

Quote (CatholicApologist @ Oct. 03 2009,18:39)Wikipedia?  Don't make me laugh.  They've been around for what?  Five minutes?We've been around for what?  Two thousand years?  I think this one is age before beauty.  Here's a history lesson:Wake up CA. 1700 years or less is probably more accurate.Also, I actually said you may want to correct the W…[Read more]

There is one Church CA. It is the body of Christ. Not a creation of the Roman Empire or a Roman Emperor.Ephesians 5:23For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior.Colossians 1:18And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead,…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ Oct. 03 2009,20:27)Forgot the minutes, doh!Well Yeshua Ha Mesiach was not adverse to dissing faulty theology when appropriate….Exactly. That is why we oppose your Trinity Doctrine and use scripture to do it. That way we demonstrate that it is not our words but scripture that exposes the lie.Of course you are free to side with…[Read more]

They would need to be specially made. Expect a delay and a surcharge.

Quote (Is 1:18 @ Oct. 03 2009,20:43)Quote (thethinker @ Oct. 03 2009,20:24)Quote (Is 1:18 @ Oct. 03 2009,13:03)I think these Genesis passages are problematic for the Arians. as they quite patently state that YHWH was seen. Yet the NT is just as emphatic in stating that The Father hasn't been seen….Hey Is. 1:18,It is good to see you back. In my…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 03 2009,12:03)Quote (thethinker @ Oct. 02 2009,19:44)Quote (t8 @ Oct. 03 2009,11:17)Quote (thethinker @ Oct. 03 2009,09:06)The narrative clearly says that it was God Himself who spoke from the midst of the bush, “So when the LORD saw that he turned aside to look, God called to him from the midst of the bush and said,…[Read more]

CA, why did you guys do those things?

Quote (CatholicApologist @ Oct. 03 2009,11:50)“A person does not give birth to a nature only, but a whole person. You cannot separate Jesus' humanity from His divinity like the gnostics and later the Arians. This is what we were fighting all of those years ago in the first centuries of the Church. Theotokos (God-bearer) was a statement…[Read more]

Quote (CatholicApologist @ Oct. 03 2009,11:43)Answer me.  What does this verse mean?”Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle.” – 2 Thess. 2:15Obviously there are traditions/teachings of men and there are the ones that were passed on orally or letter. Men's traditions…[Read more]

Is 1:18 is back. Please dot all i's and cross the t's. Otherwise the truth may lose on a legal technicality.