Manoah realized he was seeing an ANGEL of Jehovah, right?So then the Son truly IS an angel of Jehovah? And that means Jesus is the “angel kind” of spirit, and not the “God kind”? Okay. I can live with that for now.

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 14 2011,13:19)Mike,If someone is said to be the 'son' of the creator, then the creator is a father in the sense of being their creator but not in the sense that they share in the same identical nature, like in the case of the only begotten Son who would not be one who was created but instead begotten.KathiI will take that…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 14 2011,13:15)I believe they are two distinct Gods……….. I know.  That's what I keep saying.  But for some reason, you keep playing word games to make it seem like I'm not telling it like it is.  Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 14 2011,13:15)You say that I worship two Gods but I see them as one unified God called Jehovah Don't…[Read more]

Quote (princess @ Aug. 13 2011,19:45)Tim I must say, that I have been talking to Stuart for such a time, that i had not been posting up in the believers section, then when not in conversation with Stuart, I had been reading up on a few things, and then for a time of late i had went to the believers section and have come to find that I do not even…[Read more]

That's right Kathi. God created the firstborn of all creation in His own image. And that is what is meant when God says He will create mankind in OUR image. He speaks to His Son about the image they both share, and how He will share that image also with mankind.Manoah's words were, “We have seen GOD and now will die”, or something to that…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 14 2011,12:26)Mike,I suspect they are the created angels because non-heavenly beings were not created till days after the foundation of the earth was founded.  Scripture does not make that clear though.Well, who else would it be, Kathi?  You yourself have scripturally made clear what you say scripture doesn't make clear.  …[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 14 2011,12:20)Mike,He often says that 'like begets like.'  I do think that it is linguistics of words like 'one being' and misunderstanding of what 'oneness' is that causes part of the problem here.   Btw, thanks for capitalizing the 'G.' KathiThe difference between you and Keith, as I see it, is that you are bold enough t…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 14 2011,11:43)Keith,Do you find that many here that tear down the compound unity of God write as if this compound unity is made up of only one person.Kathi, How many HUMAN beings do you know that consist of three persons within one “compound unity being”?If you know of none, then don't you wonder why – seeing that God…[Read more]

What I think, peanut, is that the scripture you quoted doesn't do for you what you had hoped it would do.  The scripture speaks of idols, not gods like the angel of Jehovah that Manoah called “god”.  And not gods like Jesus, who is himself the foremost messenger of his God. Neither of those two created the heavens and the earth, yet I don't s…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 14 2011,11:59)Mike,Quote Kathi, what are your thoughts about the “sons of God” mentioned in Job 1:6, 2:1, 38:7, and Gen 6:4?  Do YOU think they are angels?Well, I believe they were heavenly created beings who do not call God their 'Father.'  KathiAnd by “heavenly created beings” you mean “angels”, right? Uh oh Keith! And h…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 14 2011,11:56)I believe that the two Gods……………Need I say more?When Keith admits what you do – that you have TWO Gods – then you will both be playing for the same team. As of yet, he has not been as brave as you. He continues to hide the fact that he truly DOES believe in and worship TWO Gods behind the…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 14 2011,11:33)It does not state or make the point that Jesus gave up being a man.1 Cor 15:45 So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit.The last Adam BECAME a life-giving spirit, Kerwin. If a man BECOMES a spirit, then he is no longer a man.Just like when the spirit bei…[Read more]

Hi Kerwin,5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all men—the testimony given in its proper time.Can you HONESTLY tell me that you are unable see that sentence as saying: “THE MAN JESUS CHRIST, WHO ONCE DIED FOR US, IS NOW THE MEDIATOR BETWEEN GOD AND MEN”?If you c…[Read more]

Hi Kathi,There is no scripture that says “so-called gods” or “false gods” or “those that might be called gods”.The fact that Jehovah is the God OF gods indicates that there are other gods of whom Jehovah is God.Just like Jesus is a god, and Jehovah is HIS God. Satan is a god, and Jehovah is HIS God.That's the scriptural truth of the matter -…[Read more]

Hi Kerwin,Just a reminder about my last post to you.

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 13 2011,09:36)No comments from the peanut gallery How about a cashew?“Tell them this: ‘These gods, who did not make the heavens and the earth, will perish from the earth and from under the heavens.’”Jehovah is speaking of the wooden, brass, and golden idols of the other nations………….as is evident from the passage.mike

Quote (princess @ Aug. 13 2011,18:31)then calls out to himself when he is raised on a stake wondering why he forsook himself, Very good post, Princess.

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 14 2011,09:05)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 15 2011,01:27)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 13 2011,09:13)MIke…………I am going to slow this down a little……….Let focus on the Prophesy of Jesse…….Now who was the root of Jesse?, you seem to imply Jesse was Jesus' root, bit scripture shows it the other way around Jesus…[Read more]

When you are capable of answering the questions ACCURATELY and DIRECTLY, then it will be time for more questions.Let's just deal with the very first one:My question:  1. When Jehovah is called “the God of gods”, WHO are the gods Jehovah is the God of?Your Answer:  1. That phrase simply denotes that “YHVH is GOD” over all.Why?  Does the phrase…[Read more]

Thank you Kerwin! I brought that same point up myself about 100 pages ago! I asked if God was purposely feeding in to mankind's “fairy tales” by showing Moses exactly how the Cherubim were supposed to look on the lid of the ark.Of course they have bodies, and I'm quite sure their bodies look exactly how God had Moses portray them.mike