Quote (shimmer @ Aug. 15 2011,03:24)And as for your warning, please note that LU continued it by bumping the post above, and also took it into another thread. I expect to see her tiled!Hi Shimmer,I DID notice that and have already taken appropriate action.I'm out of it now.  If you three want to war, then war away.Personally, I think posts back…[Read more]

Nope. It wasn't there yet…………….but it is now!

From Pierre:John 20:17 NIV17 Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet returned to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”

Pierre,Do we have John 20:17 in our database yet? I'll have to check, for that is a good one. Especially the RETURNING part.

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 14 2011,18:03)Mike,A god who is really no god at all by nature can still have great powers.  The angels have great powers, they are not gods but still they are supernatural.You are getting warmer, Kathi!    Angels truly ARE beings who are supernatural, immortal, and have special powers over the lives and affairs of pe…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 14 2011,18:03)Mike,Are you implying that “all creation” means both the old and new creations?Hi Kerwin,Let's see:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature. 16 For through him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or…[Read more]

As it was meant.

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 14 2011,20:18)Hi Jack,Here are three occurrences of virtually the same wording from Titus, I assume  that you believe the first two occurrences mentioned are God (YHVH) and Jesus.Yet (virtually), the same wording in the third occurrence (according to Jack-a-roo)is now asserted to be only Jesus; can you explain how you account…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 14 2011,13:38)The one that Manoah saw and the messenger that the Son is are most likely the same person and that person is a mighty God, creator of heaven and earth with the Father.  He is not a creation.KathiManoah realized he was seeing an ANGEL of Jehovah, right?So then the Son truly IS an angel of Jehovah?  And that m…[Read more]

Hi Shimmer,So Jesus IS or ISN'T the Most High God? And how do you know that from the scriptures? (That's what we're currently discussing on this thread.)peace,mike

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 14 2011,18:44)It is easy to see there are two who are Jehovah.Kathi,Why not address this scripture that Irene quoted:Isaiah 40:25“To whom will you compare me? Or who is my equal?” says the Holy One.You have explained how one of the two in our “compound unity God” is higher than the other one. Which one is asking who his…[Read more]

EXACTLY KATHI!  By golly, I think you've got it!Can God Most High beget “God Most High” and there be only ONE God Most High?  NO!But can God Most High beget “a god”, who is mighty but not THE Most High God, and there still be only one God Most High?  YES! In fact, that Most High God would then become the God OF other gods, wouldn't He?Now, wh…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 14 2011,19:32)Shimmer and Princess,Those who stand for truth and point out errors (such as myself and others) often become the target of those filled with pride and deceit; NO NAMES!I have been targeted on this board MANY TIMES NOW, TO NO AFFECT!Your brother in Christ, Jesus!Ed JWhat “truth” Ed?  That Kathi's a big meanie-head?…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 14 2011,18:56)Mike,Think, why would Jehovah be the most high over all the earth?  He is both the Father and the Son, the God of gods and the Lord of lords.  It was the Father part of Jehovah that was the Father of the Son of God and the one who sent the Son part of Jehovah to be the Messiah. The two persons within the one u…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 14 2011,18:18)Also, you think that firstborn = first created.Has there EVER been a “firstborn” who wasn't a creation, Kathi?   I think it's pretty obvious that “firstborn of every dinosaur” refers to the first dinosaur ever to exist, don't you?And I also think that if you're not a person who is willing to post nonsensical…[Read more]

Quote (princess @ Aug. 14 2011,17:59)You know Kar, I tend to think Kathi thinks the posters of this forum are quite ignorant, she must think no one knew who her post was really directed at.Hi Princess,I would say Kathi's recent comments were directed at you, for making the fine post you made.  And at me, for commending you about your fine post.If…[Read more]

Quote (Pastry @ Aug. 14 2011,15:59)Psa 83:18   That may know that thou, whose name alone JEHOVAH, the most high over all the earth.  His name ALONESo Jehovah ALONE is the “Most High” huh?  Luke 1:32He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High.Mark 5:7He shouted at the top of his voice, “What do you want with me, Jesus, Son of t…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 13 2011,22:06)Mike,Satan is not a God spirit being.  He is an angel spirit being that made himself a god, not by nature but by arrogance.  If anyone calls satan a god it would only be that he has wrongfully exalted himself making himself out to be like the most high.KathiSo, what Paul really meant to say was:”The god of t…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 14 2011,11:56)Mike,You ought to read what you wrote in this quote:Quote And Kathi likes to ignore the fact that if there were more than one “God kind” of spirit being, then we would have more than one God.I don't think Keith is willing to be as brave as you, Kathi.  You are okay with openly declaring your worship of TWO…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 14 2011,13:36)Mike,I am concerned and have been for a long time to see you twist things around.  I have shown you even today how you write two opposing statements, and now you make it sound like I agree that God created the firstborn when I distinctly wrote:Quote And, no God did not create Jesus in His own image…the Son…[Read more]