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    Irene and Pierre,It is comforting to have support from people like you two, whose scriptural knowledge and faith I count on so often here.  :)And Irene, thank you for the compliment.  But as you yourself know, it's not that hard to see clearly what the scriptures teach if you shut yourself off from the personal doctrines of others and let ONLY t…[Read more]

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    mikeboll64 replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 15 years, 2 months ago

    Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 20 2011,17:43)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 20 2011,21:24)Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 19 2011,22:52)He then goes on to speak of heavenly things by saying “No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man.”I ask you to judge for yourself if Jesus was speaking of his physical body or the Holy Spirit withi…[Read more]

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    mikeboll64 replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 15 years, 2 months ago

    I can answer that Pierre. Kerwin would most likely have said:John 6:42“Is this not Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How can he now say, ‘I came down from heaven’?”They can only come to him if God leads them.

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    Quote (Paladin @ Aug. 20 2011,16:40)You see, on my board, when I ask a question, I expect participants to participate, not usurp the board.If you don't have an answer, it is because you see the trap you make for yourself.Of you only want to cause confusion, keep asking your own questions instead of responding to the post.I will not play the…[Read more]

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    Quote (942767 @ Aug. 19 2011,14:55)Hi Mike:There is a difference he now has a spiritual body, and he is the head of the church, and our human masters have a mortal body, and may or not be saved.See Marty?  Your subconscious believes the truth, because you've just distinguished Jesus FROM our “human masters”.  :)mike

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    Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 18 2011,22:35)I did not receive the gospel from any book, but from Scripture.That is not an accurate comparison, Kerwin.  Because since the compiled scriptures ARE a book, you could NOT say that you did NOT receive your gospel from a book, if in fact you DID receive it from the Bible.  That would be a lie.So please DIRECTLY a…[Read more]

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    I know Gene. And I think you could “help me” if you would only DIRECTLY and individually address the points I made, and show me where I'm seeing things wrong.Thanks in advance for your help, brothermike

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    Quote (Pastry @ Aug. 19 2011,19:15)In order to be there WITH GOD, THERE HAD TO BE ANOTHER BEING, WHICH IS CALLED THE WORD OF GOD…Exactly Irene.The FACT of the matter is that there are TWO beings being discussed in John 1:1.  One of those beings was WITH the other being.  They are both called by the title “theos”, which in English is “god”.  …[Read more]

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    Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 19 2011,05:00)Hi Kerwin,Religious 'brainwashing' (also called indoctrination) is hard to undo. (See Colossians 2:21-22)Consider how Mike is still stuck on John 1:1 in the N.W.T rendered as 'a god' from the JW's indoctrination.God blessEd JWho do you think “brainwashed” me, Ed?  Three years ago I was an atheist.  For reasons I w…[Read more]

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    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 20 2011,08:54)Mike……..Root is linage of a family, offspring is the direct person of that linage. Just that simple no need for “MYSTERY RELIGIOUS” translations that make it different then what it really is saying. This also reminds me where you counter parts the Trinitarians say that Where Thomas said ” MY LORD…[Read more]

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    mikeboll64 replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 15 years, 2 months ago

    Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 19 2011,22:52)He then goes on to speak of heavenly things by saying “No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man.”I ask you to judge for yourself if Jesus was speaking of his physical body or the Holy Spirit within him as a heavenly thing.So now the Holy Spirit IS the Son of Man? ??? Oh…[Read more]

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    mikeboll64 replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 15 years, 2 months ago

    Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 19 2011,14:20)So Jesus is the plant root of David?Enough of reducing your argument to an absurdity as I believe you are trying to make the point that “Jesus is the root of David” cannot mean “Jesus is the root of David’s faith”.Jesus is not a plant, Kerwin.  But didn't you know that Jesus used plants for his parables?…[Read more]

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    mikeboll64 replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 15 years, 2 months ago

    Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 19 2011,02:04)I have concluded Jesus is using implied words because I do not see any words in the sentence that tie it in with the point he was previously making with his listeners.The Jews:  What are you talking about, dude?  ???  You are not even 50 years old!  How in the world could YOU have seen Abraham?  ???Jesus:  Before Abrah…[Read more]

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    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 19 2011,08:46)Mike tries to confuse people by saying thing like. “that does not make sense”, when in fact it makes perfect sense , So why didn't you come up with another word for “Root” like I asked?  For example, “I am the CHILD and the Offspring of David”.  Or “I am the DESCENDENT and the Offspring of David”.See how i…[Read more]

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    Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 14 2011,15:58)You can see for yourself that it does not say Jesus is exactly the Word.  What it does say is his name is called The Word of God.And Jehovah told Abraham that his name would no longer “be called” Abram.  Does this mean that Abraham's name used to actually BE Abram?  Or does “be called” have some hidden, my…[Read more]

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    Okie-dokie, Shimmer. :)

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    Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 18 2011,19:10)His predacessor Joshua could not give the people rest (Heb. 4:8). But Christ IS rest (Colossians 2:17).Oh. And “rest” = “God Almighty”? :) What scripture teaches us this?

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    Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 18 2011,19:06)How can Christ be the “reality” without being God?What does that even mean? ??? Don't you even know what the word “Christ” means, Jack? ??? And was it not GOD who MADE Jesus both Lord and Christ? ???

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    Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 18 2011,19:01)He was all those things MORE THAN His predacessors and not “just like” them.True, Jesus was more than those others. But was God Himself ANY of those things, Jack?Was God ever anointed by anyone?Was God ever sent by anyone?Is God a servant of anyone?Is God a prophet of anyone?Does God obey anyone's…[Read more]

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    Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 17 2011,20:46)Mike,Where in scriptures does it specifically say that God created the god satan or the god of Ekron, or the gods of Egypt.God created everything in heaven and on earth. Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 17 2011,20:46)Also, can you think of a higher Son than the Only Begotten Son?Ah, but Jehovah is called the Most High…[Read more]

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