Kerwin,You preach a doctrine that I can't even understand.  WHAT exactly did you just say in that post?  The FACT of the matter is that Jesus said Abraham was happy to see his day.The Jews then implied that Jesus couldn't have ever seen Abraham, because he wasn't even 50 years old.Then Jesus explained to them that before Abraham ever existed, he h…[Read more]

Hi All,I have pondered this hard and long.  I have been scoffed at and reminded that Adam is said to be the first man ever, and that Eve is the mother of all living.But it never set well with me that when Cain was banished, he was afraid that “others” would kill him; and so God put a sign on him so the “others” wouldn't bother him.WHO WERE THESE…[Read more]

Quote (Pastry @ Aug. 21 2011,10:20)Kerwin, is there any other being that is the only begotten of the Father???Hi Irene,Kerwin's doctrine has now led him to a place where God's only begotten is an unknown entity. What a mess! Better to just accept that Jesus IS the only begotten of God who was made flesh so that he could be sacrificed on our…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 21 2011,10:00)To my ears they do because “For Jesus Christ were all things created a new, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him,Hi Kerwin,When is the last time you had your ears checked? I ask because it s…[Read more]

18 I am one who testifies for myself; my other witness is the Father, who sent me.”Again, Jesus is ONE, and God who sent him is ANOTHER.Which brings us to the point of this thread:24 I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am the one I claim to be, you will indeed die in your sins.” 25 “Who are you?” they asked.…[Read more]

John 716 Jesus answered, “My teaching is not my own. It comes from him who sent me. 17 If anyone chooses to do God’s will, he will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own.If Jesus' teaching comes from God, and he says his teaching is NOT his own, then how can he be God from whom he received his teachings?28 The…[Read more]

John 611 Jesus then took the loaves, gave thanks, and distributed to those who were seated as much as they wanted. He did the same with the fish.Who did Jesus “give thanks” to?27 Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. On him God the Father has placed his seal of…[Read more]

John 532 There is another who testifies in my favor, and I know that his testimony about me is valid. 37 And the Father who sent me has himself testified concerning me. You have never heard his voice nor seen his form, 38 nor does his word dwell in you, for you do not believe the one he sent.Jesus is one, and God is “another”, according to Jesus'…[Read more]

26 For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son to have life in himself. 27 And he has given him authority to judge because he is the Son of Man.The Father GRANTED Jesus to have life in himself. Just as Jesus, through the Holy Spirit, granted the disciples to also have life in them and raise the dead.The Father has GIVEN Jesus…[Read more]

44 (Now Jesus himself had pointed out that a prophet has no honor in his own country.)Okay, so far Jesus has taught these things about himself:He is the Son of God – not the God he is the Son of.He was given by God – not the God he was given by.He was sent by God – not the God who sent him.God placed all things in his hand – so he is not the God…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 21 2011,09:31)MIke…….Wrong,  God the FATHER Did Reilly (INDWELL) Jesus,  You and your colleges problem is you don't believe Jesus when He said the “FATHER WAS (IN) HIM”. Hmmm………………your own words just said:Quote for instance where it say Christ (IN) YOU , that is saying the anointing in you, not the p…[Read more]

Keith,You seem to be claiming that Jesus has the “God nature” because he is the only begotten Son of God, and like begets like.Are you acknowledging that Jesus was literally brought forth FROM his God, and therefore had a beginning?mike

Quote (seekingtruth @ Dec. 25 2006,08:05)5For to which of the angels did God ever say, “You are my Son; today I have become your Father”? (seems to indicate a start) Brilliant point Wm.I wonder what Kathi, Keith and Jack think about that. (Oh, and D-Linquent, so he doesn't feel left out if he is still around.)”God the Son” couldn't have…[Read more]

Quote (Cult Buster @ Dec. 25 2006,21:29)H2O can exist in three different realities, yet remain H20• Ice• Liquid• or SteamEach Person of the Godhead can choose a different office within the plan of salvation, yet remain God.But not at the same time!

Please explain YOUR understanding of “death” D. Explain how your God Jesus “died” in such a way that was somehow different from the way we all die. And then show which scriptures teach us about the “different” way that “God Almighty” died.

Quote (shimmer @ Aug. 21 2011,03:47)Quote (Pastry @ Aug. 21 2011,21:32)However I do remember a long time ago, I was cleaning the Bathtub, and it felt like I had done this before a long time ago…. It was a weird feeling….Irene maybe you HAD cleaned the bathtub many times before, haha.

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 21 2011,05:24)In fact there is confusion even over that word as Paul used it , for instance where it say Christ (IN) YOU , that is saying the anointing in you, not the person Jesus.Actually Gene,Having Christ in you has the same meaning as having God in you.  Just like God Himself didn't literally dwell inside the…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 21 2011,01:07)Mike,You should read more of what he taught to those disciples.Quote John 6New International Version (NIV)61 Aware that his disciples were grumbling about this, Jesus said to them, “Does this offend you? 62 Then what if you see the Son of Man ascend to where he was before! 63 The Spirit gives life; the flesh c…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 21 2011,01:09)Hi Mike,Did you not say members of your family were JW's?Yes Ed. Many of my family members are Jehovah's Witnesses.But were you going to deal with the fact that there are TWO gods mentioned in John 1:1? And that John only identified ONE of those two using the words “THE god”?

Quote (Pastry @ Aug. 20 2011,14:15)What Kerwin doesn't see is that The Word of God is the only begotten of the Father and became flesh….Yeah. Nor do Gene or Marty understand this.But my hope is that if they can come to understand that John 1:1 speaks of TWO INDIVIDUAL and SEPARATE BEINGS, then the Word cannot possibly be the Holy Spirit of God.…[Read more]