Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 28 2011,10:59)No, “The Word” Fathered Jesus.Hi Ed,If the Word fathered Jesus, and the Word is who had the glory of the only begotten from the Father, then Jesus would have had the glory of a GRANDCHILD of the Father.  14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the only…[Read more]

I just read some of your link, and the author mentions the many variations between known copies. I'll read it again from your site if that would make you happy.

It's by a dude named Lawrence.  The site also has one by Charles.This is the link.

Hi David,I've been confused about these things for quite a while now.  And to address your “excellent post” from before, I consider the land where Cain was living to be sort of like the New Jerusalem of the future – where those welcomed in will be living in the presence of Jehovah and His Son.  Those outside could never be “out of the presence” o…[Read more]

Hi Ed,I'm glad you are doing this the way you are…………….little by little, so I can soak it in slowly.  Actually, I'm glad you decided to do this at all.  You've got me thinking about doing the same with Enoch.  Post a chapter, discuss, post the next chapter, discuss, etc.I read the first 33 chapters yesterday, and it simply blew me aw…[Read more]

Bump for Kathi and Jack……………we all anxiously await your direct quotes from Jesus where he taught us that he was the God Most High.

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 27 2011,17:55)Yes, Mike, it was the pre-existent Jesus that came in the flesh.Okay,Then it was ALSO the pre-existent Jesus who became flesh that said, “I live BECAUSE OF the Father”.

True dat (as the young kids say).

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 19 2011,08:36)I am done with debating t8. He has become too much like Mikeboll with his incessant repetition.Not at all, Jack.  If I was the one having this debate, you would have only heard, “Does Jesus have a son, Jack?” over and over until you actually ANSWERED the question.  And if you didn't, I would have p…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 28 2011,09:35)Hi Mike,And we beheld his (The Father's) (the Word's) glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father. (John 1:14)Hi Ed, Did the Word possess the glory as of THE FATHER?  Or does the scripture say the Word possessed the glory as of THE ONLY BEGOTTEN OF THE FATHER?P.S. I fixed your quote for you.mike

I see, Kerwin.  So when Col 1:16 says that all things in heaven and earth were made through him, it means something different then when those same words are said in John 1?  If all you have is your WISH for the word “ALL” to sometimes mean “ALL”, and other times mean “NEW”, then there is no point in continuing this discussion, my friend.When it c…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 28 2011,08:51)Hi Mikeareno,Did we not just agree that the “Glory” that was “IN” Jesus, was God's glory?No, actually we agreed that God shares His glory with no one.  So if it was God's glory that was “IN” Jesus, then Jesus would have had the glory of God, not the glory of “the only begotten OF God”.Try again, Edinski.mike

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 28 2011,08:19)Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 28 2011,10:11)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 27 2011,20:41)But Gene, How is it that the Word AND the man Jesus BOTH had the glory of God's ONLY begotten Son?Gene,Though I have already answered this question of Mike's I would also like to hear your answer.Kerwin……….. God and his WORD…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 27 2011,16:23)You will see that the subject for the middle of the verse is the 'world' and not the 'you.' The 'world' is singular and agrees with the singular verb 'judge.' The 'you' is written in the dative form and that means that it acts as the indirect object.These little pieces of Greek grammar are helpful to know,…[Read more]

Quote (seekingtruth @ Aug. 28 2011,05:02)We must be careful that in our zeal to correct the false teaching that Jesus is an equal “God” to the Father, that we don't strip away all that scripture has assigned to Him as God, the manifested extension of the Father to Man. He has come from the Father and in all ways represents God to us while…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 27 2011,17:35)I have two persons that are both God yet united as one God unity. The trinitarians have the same two persons that are both God yet united as one God unity also. They also have the Holy Spirit as a third person, where I understand the Holy Spirit to be their innerperson.You have two, COMPLETELY SEPARATE God…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 27 2011,17:00)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 26 2011,21:48)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 26 2011,20:34)Mike,Jesus taught that we are to worship Jehovah our God.  So do I.  The Father and He are one.  That would mean that we would worship both.Actually, Jesus told Satan, who was asking Jesus to worship HIM, that we are to worship “t…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 27 2011,16:53)Mike,2 Thess 2:16-1716Now may our Lord Jesus Christ Himself and God our Father, who has loved us and given  us eternal comfort and good hope by grace, 17 comfort  and strengthen  your hearts in every good work and word. 1 Thess 3:11Now may our God and Father Himself and Jesus our Lord direct our way to yo…[Read more]

Hi Edwardo,Why would God's glory be the glory of an only begotten OF God?

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 27 2011,14:23)MikeQuote I was only hoping to gain more insight, not have your point of view shoved down my throat.   this would be the last thing i would like to do PierreFair enough, my friend. I was joking with you anyway.