Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 01 2011,14:33)Hi Mike,I'm trying to answer your question, so go with me here; OK?Do you believe that it was determined, before the foundation of the world,that Jesus would be slain (as in crucified) based on Revelation 13:8 says?You mean this scripture?  Revelation 13:8 NET © and all those who live on the earth will worship t…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 01 2011,14:29)Revelation 19:11-21 refers to the “HolySpirit”, which is “The Word” of God.Really?  Let's see:Revelation 1712 “The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but who for one hour will receive authority as kings along with the beast. 13 They have one purpose and will give their power and au…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 31 2011,22:20)If one believes Jesus is a human being just like other human beings except that his faith was and is complete then I believe that sastifies a need for a believers faith to grow more mature.So you are with Gene then, eh Kerwin?  Just like Gene, you are willing to totally ignore certain scriptures and utterly…[Read more]

Princess and All,I found this very interesting.  It is from Watchtower Publications:The striking similarity readily observable when comparing the gods and goddesses of ancient peoples can hardly be attributed to chance. Concerning this, J. Garnier writes: “Not merely Egyptians, Chaldeans, Phoenicians, Greeks and Romans, but also the Hindus, the…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 31 2011,22:09)So, I will correct that misrepresentation (of YOURS) right here in this thread.Hi Kathi,It seems to me that the scriptures you posted here are the same scriptures you recently posted in my “One, Two, or Three” thread, so let's address them over in that thread, okay? Not one of them makes Jesus be God…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 31 2011,22:48)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 31 2011,22:07)Kathi, Jehovah is the Most High God. (Gen 14:22)  And Jesus is the SON OF the Most High God.  (Mark 5:7)  Do you believe these scriptures?  And if so, what do they teach us?mikeMike,Jehovah is the most High what…God AND Lord..Father AND Son.Jesus is the Son of the Fat…[Read more]

Hi Kathi,I don't see where Princess attacked anyone.  In her opinion, you three “post enough already”.  As you know, Princess also thinks I talk too much.  She is entitled to her opinion, and is probably right about that one.  But as I understood the OP, this is a place where those of us who are not welcome in the many “Jesus is God” threads can…[Read more]

Kathi, I posted in your new thread about the compound unity of Jesus and his disciples. You are right that being a part of a compound unity with Jesus doesn't mean I died on a cross. Or that all things were created through you. On this part we agree.So…………….why is it that Jesus being a part of a compound unity with our one true God…[Read more]

Quote Just because the Father sent His Son doesn't mean that the Son sent HimselfI agree.Quote just because the Son died on the cross doesn't mean that the Father died on the cross.I agree.Quote However, both took part in creation and both took part in salvation.I agree that God created through His Son. I don't know what that really means as far…[Read more]

Love is blind, Princess.  And love will blind many people to many truths.Kathi, Keith and Jack truly adore Jesus with their whole heart.  They adore him so much that they feel the need to place him in a higher position than what is taught by the scriptures.  And because of that extreme love, they are blinded to the fact that by placing Jesus as Go…[Read more]

1 Corinthians 12:27Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it.We, as disciples of Jesus, are a compound unity with him; as he is a compound unity with God the Father.

Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 30 2011,23:11)I have addressed it but you seem to choose to disregard that the spirit that God is composed of will not do evil and cannot be tempted by evil and thus Jesus, who was tempted,  is not made from that type of spirit.   Further communications on the issue is meaningless until we agree who God is.God is Jehovah, t…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 31 2011,13:21)How is The Word’s glory seen in us?   …the same way The Word’s glory was seen in Jesus. (John1:14 / Rom.8:18)I'm sorry………………where exactly does it say it is the Word's glory in Romans 8:18?  James 1:18  NKJV © Of His own will He brought us forth by the word of truth, that we might be a kind of firstfrui…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 31 2011,13:13)So using your logic (quoted in my post) it's pretty simple to see that “The Word” is God; right?Ed, have you forgotten what the little word “OF” means? The Holy Spirit is OF God. That little word “OF” makes it impossible for the Holy Spirit to BE God.Similarly, if all things came through the Word “OF” God, then…[Read more]

Gene, The Kingdom of Israel could be called “David's Kingdom” and also “God's Kingdom” at the same time. That does not mean there were two separate Kingdoms of Israel.You are missing the fact that the Kingdom of Jesus Christ IS the Kingdom of God. The Kingdom of the Saints IS the Kingdom of God. There is only ONE Kingdom to which we…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 28 2011,23:26)To God only wise, be glory through Jesus Christ for ever. Amen. (Rom. 16:27)Hi Ed,Do you understand this scripture to be saying that ONLY God has glory?

Bump for Kathi:Just because the church in Thyatira put up with “that women Jezebel” does not mean the church in Pergamum did, right?Similarly, just because Jesus and his God are one in purpose does not mean that Jesus created the heavens and earth just because his God did, right?  Nor does it mean that Jesus is worthy of God-worship just because…[Read more]

Hi Pierre,This is how the King James puts it:For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into lewdness and deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ.If Jesus is our ONLY Master and Lord, then the Father is neither of those things.  I guess that…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 30 2011,20:03)Mike,The way to be a firstborn as part of any group is to be born from a member within the group.Explain that in light of Psalm 89:27. Was David born from a king?But as to MY point, that the firstborn OF a group must be a PART OF that group: Was David a king?

Hi Kathi,From the same author:The word “firstborn” is always used in either of two settings: as being the firstborn offspring of a father (as in Genesis 25:13), or as being part of the group being spoken of. Nevertheless even when used as the firstborn offspring of a father, it is still the group of children that the offspring of the father tha…[Read more]