Speaking of WJ…………..where exactly has ol' Keith been hiding lately? I haven't heard from him in over two weeks.

Speaking of WJ…………..where exactly has ol' Keith been hiding lately? I haven't heard from him in over two weeks.

Kathi, are you mad at me because I just showed you how easy it is, using YOUR mentality, to include others into the compound unity of Jehovah?And look at your “rock-solid” rebuttal:  “Just because something is a compound unity does not mean that they are Jehovah.  Only the Father and the Son are Jehovah, not the saints.  The saints aren't part of…[Read more]

That is a good point, t8. But if God divided everytime He brough forth another being, He would be a lot less now than when He started creating. I didn't divide myself to beget my son, why would God? Also, Kerwin readily acknowledges that God created other spirit sons. I'm trying to find out what he thinks prohibited Jesus from being the…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ Sep. 06 2011,17:07)Irene, when will you recognize that God identified the day Jesus was begotten as the day he became the son of God?Irene, hold fast to the truth you have been given.Quote (Paladin @ Sep. 06 2011,17:07)“This day have I begotten thee” is quoted in Acts 13:33 referencing the resurrection of Jesus Christ.Actually,…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 06 2011,14:36)No one in scripture ever states that an angelic being became (morphed) into the human being Jesus, much less what such a being was created of.Actually, Phil 2 and John 1 both say this………….among other scriptures.  But we are not discussing this issue right now, are we?Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 06…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 05 2011,20:13)you exalt satan when we discuss him.  You make him bigger than he is and I do not want to participate in you doing that.I'm not trying to exalt Satan any higher than he is, nor have I ever.  It is people like you and Keith and Jack that place certain people higher and others lower than scriptures teach.  …[Read more]

What Mike was doing was shoving Kathi's “Jesus is God because Jehovah is a compound unity of the Father and the Son” nonsense back down her throat.  Nothing more.  Mike doesn't believe in any “Godhead”. Mike believes the scriptures that tell us we have but one God, the Father; and that Father has a Son who is a servant OF God, a Priest OF God, t…[Read more]

Kathi and Paul,I add this to my last post:Zechariah 612 And you must say to him, “‘This is what Jehovah of armies has said: “Here is the man whose name is Sprout. And from his own place he will sprout, and he will certainly build the temple of Jehovah. 13 And he himself will build the temple of Jehovah, and he, for his part, will carry dignity…[Read more]

Daniel 7:18But the saints of the Most High will receive the kingdom and will possess it forever—yes, for ever and ever.’Daniel 7:22until the Ancient of Days came and pronounced judgment in favor of the saints of the Most High, and the time came when they possessed the kingdom.Daniel 7:27Then the sovereignty, power and greatness of the kingdoms und…[Read more]

Kathi,The point is that no firstborn was without a beginning.  That is why God will NEVER be called the firstborn of or over anything at all.  In order to be a firstborn, you must have first BEEN BORN.And the quote from Irene's source I wanted you to address was this:In no case does “firstborn” mean that the firstborn did not have a begin…[Read more]

Thanks Irene,I'm not sure what Kerwin is doing lately.  We start with his claim that God couldn't beget a Son unto Himself.  I bring up the fact that God is Spirit, and has brought forth many spirit sons.  Then he says that it's only speculation that angels were created out of nothing.  What is he talking about?  No one even mentioned WHAT ange…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 05 2011,14:39)That is right Irene, Jesus is the only BEGOTTEN Son of God, not the only created son of God.  Begotten is not 'created out of nothing.' Hmmmm……………yet I was begotten and am also a creation of God.  Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 05 2011,14:39)Rev 3:14 says nothing about the Son being created.Prov 8:22 says n…[Read more]

I must apologize for the wording of my last post.  Kathi is insisting that she never “showed great fear” of this topic.  In all fairness, she never said the words “Mike, I'm afraid to discuss this topic”.  What I should have said is that I SENSED great fear in her when I first brought this topic up.And I still SENSE that it is this unadmitted fe…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 04 2011,20:36)Mike's got questions all over for me.  I can't imagine spending that much time on HN as he does.Usually, my questions to you are derived from posts that you have made, Kathi.  Perhaps if YOU made fewer unscriptural claims, you'd see less questions from me.  In fact, don't you remember that this very thread wa…[Read more]

2 Thessalonians 1:1Paul, Silas and Timothy, To the church of the Thessalonians in God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ:This scripture shows that the church of the Thessalonians was part of the compound unity made up of Jehovah, Jesus and them.

Colossians 3:3For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ in God.This is yet another example of the compound unity we disciples share with Jesus and our God.

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 04 2011,20:36)Satan's word aren't about to teach us anything, anyway…he is the great deceiver and I don't have time to discuss his deceiving words.It is not the words of Satan we're interested in, Kathi.  It is the fact that Satan would have never tried to bribe the God who created him with kingdoms that God had given…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Sep. 04 2011,16:38)Where does the scripture say that satan used to live in heaven?Are you kidding me, Jack? Wouldn't it be rather hard for Satan and a third of his angels to be kicked OUT of heaven if they didn't live there at one point? And Job 1 and 2 show that Satan congregated with the OTHER angels and his God.…[Read more]