Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 06 2011,12:38)They did not have the fuller revelation that the Word of God was actually His Son.What does the Targum say about Psalm 2:7 and Proverbs 30:4?peace,mike

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 06 2011,09:44)I believe internal consistency has to do with the context of the whole which is why I looked at the whole context of the various passages that  contained the verses you cited and then determined what the idea was behind the each verse was according to what would render in most internally consistent.  I did the s…[Read more]

Quote (Pastry @ Oct. 05 2011,20:41)Hi mike!  Sorry had the wrong Schripture….This one does sayHEARDJhn 5:37   And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.Hi Irene,This will be the third time I explain this scripture to you.  If you don't understand what I&…[Read more]

Quote (mikeangel @ Oct. 05 2011,19:41)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 06 2011,12:35)Quote (mikeangel @ Oct. 05 2011,19:05)“God is not, nor has He ever been flesh.'- MikebollYes he has, and his name was Jesus, the word made flesh. The holy one of Israel.Mark, God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.Why would your “flesh…[Read more]

Quote (mikeangel @ Oct. 05 2011,19:43)What about the rest of it? Those who saw him have seen the Father?Do you claim that Jesus IS the Father?

But Mark, If the Apostles worshipped BOTH Jesus AND the One that Jesus himself worshipped, then wouldn't they be guilty of worshipping TWO Gods?

Quote (mikeangel @ Oct. 05 2011,19:35)Is anything impossible for God? -Mark No.  Is it impossible for God to have begotten a Son unto Himself who is NOT God, but the Son OF GOD?-MikebollYour answer seems contradictory or confusing. Yes or no please. Is anything impossible for God?My answer is “NO”. And knowing that nothing is impossible for God,…[Read more]

Quote (mikeangel @ Oct. 05 2011,19:28)Jesus answered, “Philip, I have been with you for a long time.Actually, Jesus said “I am with you for a long time”. But the English translators, knowing that the MEANING of the Greek was “I HAVE BEEN with you”, translate it accordingly.It is only in John 8:58 that these translators forget how to translate,…[Read more]

Quote (mikeangel @ Oct. 05 2011,19:05)“God is not, nor has He ever been flesh.'- MikebollYes he has, and his name was Jesus, the word made flesh. The holy one of Israel.Mark, God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.Why would your “flesh God” teach us that God is Spirit? Why would he count himself among those who…[Read more]

Hi Gene,Two points:1. Scripture doesn't say “the Word came TO BE IN SOMEONE WHO WAS FLESH”. It says “the Word BECAME flesh”.2. The Logos that BECAME flesh had the glory of God's only begotten. Why would God Himself have the glory, not of God, but of an only begotten OF God?peace,mike

Quote (mikeangel @ Oct. 05 2011,19:05)“God is not, nor has He ever been flesh.'- MikebollYes he has, and his name was Jesus, the word made flesh. The holy one of Israel.The “word made flesh” was not God Himself, but the Word OF God. The word “OF” shows a POSSESSION. The car OF Mike is not Mike himself, but a POSSESSION OF Mike. The Word OF God…[Read more]

Quote (mikeangel @ Oct. 05 2011,18:56)……..he will have no God but his Father.But Mark, God Most High does not have a God of His own, right?  If Jesus HAS a God, then he cannot BE God.Quote (mikeangel @ Oct. 05 2011,18:56)The other half of himself.Is your son “the other half” of you?  Do the two of you together make up one being?Quote (…[Read more]

Gene,Your last post shows exactly who you are.  Instead of refuting the fact that “spirit” means many different things, you instead take pot shots at me and compare me to the Trinitarians, who I battle here as often as I battle you non-preexisters.Gene, when it comes to the Arizona Cardinals football team, I have a lot of “TEAM SPIRIT”.Does this…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 05 2011,10:29)I'll get back to you on this later, I have other things to do now.Well, make sure you do them to the glory of the One who made you.

Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 05 2011,10:20)Hi Mike,The “Holy Spirit” is both a possession of God and is God,like your spirit is both a possession of Mike and is Mike.We may be very close to an agreement my friend. I have always known that both of these aspects are true.However, one does not preclude the other as also being true.Not likely on this subject,…[Read more]

Okay VJ,Soon…………I hope.

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 05 2011,18:02)well why do you not go to their meetings and preach your truth as you see it in scriptures ,and then see how long you would live to be welcome in their meetings,and if they would still call you Christian .I can't think of too many things I disagree with them about scripturally – except the Michael is Jesus…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ Oct. 05 2011,17:23)We know it cannot mean the logos was with one God, but was actually another God.And why is that, Paladin?  Do you agree that the Greek words in 1:1 could be faithfully translated as “and the Word was a god”?  I hope so, because that is the irrefutable FACT of the matter.Or is it because you are one of the “…[Read more]

Hi Jack,I told Pierre and Ed twice in this thread, that if it really WAS an official stance, then I would stand with them in condemning that particular action of the JWs.

Hi Charles, Mark, and any other “Jesus is God” believer out there. How about a little “tit for tat” here? It seems that most of my time on HN is spent refuting the claims of the “Jesus is God” people. It seems that far less time is spent by them refuting the actual scriptures that make it clear Jesus is NOT God.So I thought it only fair that as…[Read more]