Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 06 2011,10:13)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 06 2011,08:20)Okay Ed.  I'm with you so far.How do you explain Jesus himself saying “heaven and earth will pass away”?Hi Mike,Luke 21:33-36 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ Nov. 06 2011,10:08)GOT IT MIKE ALL! EVEN UP TO NOW.IF I  WERE YOU I CONCENTRATE MORE ON JESUS THAT ON GOD IF YOU WANT TO REACH GOD THE FATHER!Charles,Is Jesus the Son OF God, or God Himself?  He cannot be both.  Which one do the scriptures say he is?  Which one did HE say he was?Please answer these questions DIRECTLY, with scr…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ Nov. 06 2011,10:08)Quote (mikeboll @ 64)Which version of the Bible does this wording come from, Charles? For sure both:KJV, AND BRBV.What Bible is “BRBV”?  It says nothing about “life eternal” in the Greek of 1 John 1:3, nor in the KJV.Quote (carmel @ Nov. 06 2011,10:08)Now you stated that the Almighty God shares His glory with no…[Read more]

Gene? Are you unable to answer my question?

Where, oh where has Gene run off to? It seems to me that he has realized his error about spirit having only one meaning in the whole of scripture, and now would rather disappear than own up to the fact that he was wrong.Gene, a REAL man is able to admit when he was wrong, and learn from his mistakes.

Kathi?

Quote (carmel @ Nov. 06 2011,00:07) 1 LET not your heart be troubled. You believe in God, believe also in me. Mike ,In the above scripture,Jesus made it clear to His apostles that from then on they shouldn't worry to believe in God,like it was in the old testament with so many gods and voices,which eventually all would end.Jesus told his apostles…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 05 2011,23:15)Mike,So would you please confirm for me that all things came from one person and through another person and therefore there were two persons involved in creation…right?Hi Kathi,Does the fact that all things came THROUGH Jesus mean he is a “co-creator” with God?  I say no.  God alone created me THROUGH my p…[Read more]

Really Frank? Why not just answer two simple little questions then:What exactly did Jesus EMPTY HIMSELF of in Phil 2?How is someone who ALREADY IS a human being made into the likeness of a human being?

See? You just proved me right, because as I was composing my post, you were adding a post of your own right after you said you wouldn't comment! I'm not being mean spirited with you, but making a light-hearted joke. I hope you take it that way.

Wanna bet, Shimmer? You won't be able to constrain yourself, and you know it! But that's okay, your views are as welcome and thoughtful as anyone else's.

I don't know, Pierre.  When I joined this discussion, I was under the same impression Mark is:  If scriptures say NEW heaven and NEW earth, then that is what they mean.Ed has since cast doubt on the word translated as “new”.  And you, Irene and Shimmer have added things that make me think that maybe I don't know it all.  I really need to look int…[Read more]

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Nov. 05 2011,17:42)Following is an excerpt from: http://www.torahofmessiah.com/enyprexist.html that follows closely to what it is that I believe:Frank,While you are welcome to post these things here, I personally don't have the time to respond to every point made by your unlimited list of internet authors.So you can keep…[Read more]

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Nov. 05 2011,17:21)No, I am not willing to learn along with you, since I already know what it is that you believe and I do not believe as you do.I see.  You are not willing to actually discuss Phil 2:6-8 with a live human being, but are willing to post someone else's explanation of it?  Okay, then let me discuss Phil 2 with t…[Read more]

Okay Ed.  I'm with you so far.How do you explain Jesus himself saying “heaven and earth will pass away”?

Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Nov. 05 2011,15:42)I have held your hand and walked you through it since you were a wee little guy. I have said “Plural God” and “Plural Unity” to you time and time again. Echad is from yachad meaning “unified one.”And just look at me now………all grown up!  You have truly caused me to learn more about scripture than…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ Nov. 05 2011,15:36)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 06 2011,06:20)Quote (carmel @ Nov. 05 2011,00:54)Mike,That they may know YOU, the only true God, and Jesus Christ,THAT THEY MAY KNOW YOU,THE ONLY TRUE SOUL,AND MIKEThat is a great comparison, Charles.  Just as you can see from your sentence that “that the “you” is, you can likewise see…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 04 2011,18:18)Hi Mike,2Peter 3:10 But “the day of the Lord” will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.OK; my first piece of evidence is the biblical definition of…[Read more]

Charles, your posts are taking up too much of my limited time on HN.  Would you strive to shorten them to a manageable size?  Surely you don't think it's necessary for me to address your many misunderstandings of scripture ALL IN ONE POST, do you?  This is what we call “flooding the post”.  It is a common Trinitarian practice, because you all kno…[Read more]

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Nov. 05 2011,14:12)This pre-existence doctrine stems from the “Triune Jesus IS God!” doctrine. Nonsense!  The scriptures CLEARLY teach of the pre-existence of Jesus while a triune godhead is pure fantasy.Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Nov. 05 2011,14:12)I do not believe that Yahshua “existed and had glory alongside his and our…[Read more]