Quote (carmel @ Nov. 10 2011,00:23)Mike,NO, YOU ARE SAYING THAT!THIS WHAT I SAIDWhat is the meaning :with thyself, with the glory which I had, before the world was, with theeIf God the Father is eternal,and Jesus said WITH YOURSELF,and ended up with the words WITH YOU.THEREFORE JESUS WAS ETERNAL WITH GOD HIMSELF.So if a scripture said that Michael…[Read more]

Jack, did you REALLY just avoid the whole Rev 4:11/ktizo point I made to keep posting about other things? 1. Like Pierre has told you: WHO CARES if it says “in” or “through” anyway? The fact is that all things came FROM God alone. Whether they came “in” or “through” Jesus is besides the point, because they dang sure aren't ever said to have…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 09 2011,10:40)In Genesis 9:11 God uses the words “destroy the earth”, yet the Earth was not destroyed, only the people.Knowing the wording God used in the past, how he ONLY meant the people, why would you refuse to consider this?In Genesis 18, the same word is used of Sodom and Gomorrah, which we know were literally destroyed.It…[Read more]

Mark, thanks for the kind words. Can you tell me where this scripture is in the Bible: “the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up”? I agree with you that it seems pretty cut and dry.Pierre, I don't see it as two different creations, but that EVERYTHING is part of THE creation of God.Ed, the reference to Noah was that it…[Read more]

Boy oh boy, Irene. What troubled times you are going through. It's just one thing after another for your family. I don't know what to say, so I'll remain silent and pray for you all.May God continue to guide and comfort you and Georg in your times of trial.

Quote (carmel @ Nov. 09 2011,15:26) John 4:22You worship you know not what…… Jesus in the above scripture said to the Samaritan woman : “you worship you know not.”That's how evident was God. Not only a mystery but unknown, never mind Father.Charles, not only did the Jews know exactly who Jehovah their God was, but Jesus even confirmed that in…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ Nov. 09 2011,15:10)John 17:5And now glorify thou me, O Father, with thyself, with the glory which I had, before the world was, with theeWhat is the meaning with thyself, with the glory which I had, before the world was, with theeIf God the Father is eternal,and Jesus said WITH YOURSELF,and ended up with the words WITH YOU.THEREFORE…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Nov. 09 2011,09:45)Mike's reference to Acts 4:24 has been dealt with before. The word “poieo” often means “to appoint” or “to ordain.” It means that the Father ordained the creation.Okay Jack, so the word “poieo” can mean “appoint”, OR it can mean “create”.  You won't be so fortunate with the following scripture:Revelation…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Nov. 09 2011,11:25)Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 10 2011,03:40)KJQuote Mike creates the difference himself thus showing himself to be the novice he is. KJ creates the difference himself thus showing himself to be the novice he isis this not equal to all men ?PierreHow about offering an intelligent reply.Why Jack? So you can…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 09 2011,05:27)Mike,Read the Nicene Creed and tell me whether or not you believe it:We believe in one God the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds, God of God, Light of Light,…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 09 2011,05:22)Romans 11:36 does provide you with an opportunity to see the compound unity of Jehovah since you have admitted that there is one that all things are from and ANOTHER that all things are through.36For from Him and through Him and to Him are all things. To Him be the glory forever. Amen.…[Read more]

Sorry Charlie……………that isn't even close to what is taught in scripture. You seem to be just making things up. Where is your scriptural proof of what you just stated?mike

Yes Ed,You and Pierre and Irene and Kar and Mark have all taught me in this thread.  So, THANKS GUYS!  I know I have a lot more studying to do on this subject, but for now, I am content with my original understanding.I haven't yet seen any scriptures that would cause me to change my former understanding of “For look, I am ready to create new h…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 07 2011,19:55)mikeQuote The bolded word “create” is the same word from Genesis 1:1.  If we are to take it as a LITERAL creation in Gen 1:1, then I don't see how we can not take it literally in the verses above.there are two creation in Gen 1; first one in verse 1 the second one in verse 2 and on from there PierreHow so,…[Read more]

Hi Ed,You are right that the Hebrew word “chadash” CAN MEAN “renew”.  But it is also the word used to convey a “brand new thing”.NET translates Is 65:17 as:For look, I am ready to create new heavens and a new earth! The former ones will not be remembered; no one will think about them anymore.The bolded part gives the impression of the old ones…[Read more]

Irene,Don't forget to take care of yourself and Georg through all of this.  Force yourselves to eat right and get your rest – even when you don't feel like doing either.  Remember that extreme stress and worry is a killer.  And neither one of them will ever change the outcome anyway.As far as Ralph, make sure he knows that you empathize with hi…[Read more]

Kerwin,Personally, I don't think you have any scriptural reason for believing that Jesus didn't pre-exist.  I strongly believe, that like Gene and Marty, you just feel better about being able to follow him if you think of him as starting off just like you.When I read, “I came down from heaven”, I don't have to start searching the lexicons to find…[Read more]

Okay Ed,I see what you're saying with this scripture.  I see where it seems to say that the things that aren't solidly rooted will be shaken from the earth and from the heavens.  Ie:  From God's perspective, the things that don't belong here.And that is one way to understand that scripture.  And even if we do understand the passage in this way…[Read more]

Yep!

I already stopped, Kerwin.  That's why I didn't reply to your last post.  I know very little about the Book of Enoch; way too little to make any scriptural claims based upon it.I just though you might find it interesting that WHOEVER wrote Enoch (which by all accounts was written BEFORE Jesus became flesh) seemed to think that Jesus was with G…[Read more]