Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Nov. 12 2011,10:43)Mike has been informed many times that the Father was greater than Jesus only during His state of humiliation.But isn't this the same time period that you say the Jews recognized Jesus as claiming he WAS God?  You can't have it both ways, Jack.  Jesus either WAS fully God on earth, or God was GREATER T…[Read more]

Hi Kathi,What great accomplishments did John succeed at while inside the womb of Elizabeth?  Did he pave the way for his Lord while in there?  Did he baptize anyone?  Was there anything great that he did that could be attributed to John except for “leaping for joy”?Similarly, what great things did Jesus accomplish from within his Father?  Did he…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 11 2011,20:37)hi meI made it ,   I remember back when you couldn't even quote or embolden.  Look at how far you've come!       Try the same thing as bold, but with the letter “I” instead of “B” to make the word italicized.  Or with the letter “U” to underline certain words.(I learned the ib code from looking at the quote…[Read more]

Jack,Were you going to address Rev 4:11?  Because I have Isaiah 42:5 waiting in the lurch. Is 42 NET42:1 “Here is my servant whom I support, my chosen one in whom I take pleasure.  I have placed my spirit on him; he will make just decrees for the nations. 42:2 He will not cry out or shout; he will not publicize himself in the streets.  42:3 A crus…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 10 2011,21:32)Mike,You said:Quote The Nicene Creed that I agree with is the one from 325Read this part of the 325 creed and then tell me if you agree with it:We believe in one God the Father Almighty, Maker of all things visible and invisible; and in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only begotten of the Father, that is, of the…[Read more]

I don't know about that, Pierre. But it is pretty easy to pick a scripture and contrast the words of that scripture to the claims of the Trinitarians.For example,Scripture: “The Father is greater than me”.Trinitarians: “The Father is my equal”.

Thanks t8,I didn't think this topic would take too long to build up. There's just so many to choose from.

Quote King James 2000 Bible (©2003)Yet I am the LORD your God from the land of Egypt, and you shall know no god but me: for there is no savior besides me.Nehemiah 9:27 KJV 27Therefore thou deliveredst them into the hand of their enemies, who vexed them: and in the time of their trouble, when they cried unto thee, thou heardest them from heaven;…[Read more]

Quote (mikeangel @ Nov. 11 2011,05:23)If I take Mikeboll, and your dna (the very code God gave you to make you you), and cloned you, and by the power of God made your exact spirit come into your clone, it would be you.Okay Mark. Now, will the clone be the same exact BEING as me? Or would there then be TWO identical Mikebolls?peace,mike

Thanks oatmeal! I don't agree with your last point, but I will add the others in to the main list in the OP. You made some great (and funny) points. I'm still laughing!

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Nov. 10 2011,20:08)You are wrong to say that Trinitarians say that part B rules out that the Word is God. They say that the Word was with God “face to face” meaning that He is God with God…..No, actually they say:The construction in John 1:1c does not equate the Word with the person of God (this is ruled out by 1:1b,…[Read more]

Quote (mikeangel @ Nov. 10 2011,19:56)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 11 2011,11:56)Mark,Is Jesus Christ the Son OF God, or God Himself?  Which answer is given by the scriptures?  Which answer did Jesus himself teach us?Hebrews 1:3. You asked for scripture, here it is-3 The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sus…[Read more]

Quote (mikeangel @ Nov. 10 2011,05:18)Hey Mike,It was in response to Ed's post where he quoted 2 Peter 3:10.    PeaceThis is NETBible's version of it:2 Peter 3:10 NET © But the day of the Lord will come like a thief; when it comes, the heavens will disappear with a horrific noise, and the celestial bodies will melt away in a blaze, and the ea…[Read more]

Quote (mikeangel @ Nov. 10 2011,19:32)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 11 2011,11:40)Quote (mikeangel @ Nov. 10 2011,06:46)I agree with you, Jesus was from eternity with God, as stated in John 1:1. “In the beginning” was infinity back, just like in Genisis 1:1.So God created the earth from “infinity back” Mark?  The earth has ALWAYS existed?  YES or NO p…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 09 2011,21:35)Also, that one who was born/begotten could easily have existed before being born………….He could have existed as long as His Father…eternally.Hi Kathi,I'm glad you've begun to use the correct word to illustrate your wish for an eternal Jesus.  The word “could” accurately reflects your thought, for as…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 09 2011,21:35)If I understand you right, you believe that the 'Word' is the second person of three persons that eternally existed.  Now did the person called the 'Word' come from the 'first person' or not?  Is He the 'Word God' or the Word OF God?What a wonderfully simplistic question, Kathi.  What say you, Jack?  Is Jes…[Read more]

Yep.

Charles, Jack, and Mark,I have asked each of you a “YES or NO” question in my responses to your posts.  Along with your DIRECT answer to the simple question I've asked you each individually, I have one more very simple line of questioning I would like your DIRECT answers to:Is Jesus Christ the Son OF God, or God Himself?  Which answer is given b…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Nov. 10 2011,17:26)The expression “and the Word was God” means that the Word is eternal.Unfortunately for you, that expression does not exist in any Greek mss.  Even Trinitarian scholars point out that the Word could not possibly have been the “person of God”, because that scenario is ruled out by part b: “the Word was WITH…[Read more]

Quote (mikeangel @ Nov. 10 2011,06:46)I agree with you, Jesus was from eternity with God, as stated in John 1:1. “In the beginning” was infinity back, just like in Genisis 1:1.So God created the earth from “infinity back” Mark? The earth has ALWAYS existed? YES or NO please?