Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Nov. 14 2011,09:57)Kathi,Mike asks the same questions over and over and over again. He won't move on to new arguments.KJThese actually are new arguments, Jack. Kathi has so far refused to discuss the undeniable fact that Rev 4:11 and Is 42:5 clearly distinguish Jesus as someone OTHER THAN the ONE who created all things.…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Nov. 14 2011,12:25)Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 15 2011,04:47)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Nov. 15 2011,09:53)Mike said:Quote John 8:24 “If you do not believe that I am the one I claim to be, you will indeed die in your sins.”I think these words spoken by Jesus himself answer the question in the title of this thread.The italicized w…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 13 2011,23:12)Mike,Read my signature…it tells you I have a better idea: YOU should read the scriptures I listed and take notice of the fact that your signature disagrees with them.

Hi Frank,It seems we are getting somewhere now.Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Nov. 14 2011,15:40)What Yahshua emptied himself of (or “made himself of no reputation”) is pride.When did Jesus have this pride to empty himself of?  When was he of “high reputation” to the point he had to “make himself of no reputation”?Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Nov. 14…[Read more]

Kathi?  Rev 4:11?  Is 42:1-9?  WHO did the creating? You can address this point either in this thread or in your poll thread about the Creator……………but please address these scriptures in one of the threads.

Sonny Roo? I'm patiently waiting for your explanation.

I don't know yet, Gene. I'm waiting for you to answer my question so I can learn the truth. Please answer the one in this thread AND the one in the “Proof that Jesus is the Word” thread.Thanks,mike

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Nov. 13 2011,15:04)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 06 2011,12:39)Really Frank?  Why not just answer two simple little questions then:What exactly did Jesus EMPTY HIMSELF of in Phil 2?Although Yahshua knew full well that he was unique in comparison to us in that he was GIVEN ALL power (authority) in Heaven and in the Earth and in…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ Nov. 13 2011,10:05) Colossians 2:2 That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ;So Mike if Satan is not allowing you to acquire all riches of the full assurance of…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 12 2011,22:42) “he alone was created immediately from God”You won't find those words in scripture!Jesus was never referred to as the 'only created son.'Sure he was, if you base your understanding on ALL of the scriptures, Kathi.  That's what Eusebius and I do on this subject.  Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 12 2011,22:42)It s…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 12 2011,23:13)If something/someone was created, they did not exist before they were created.  If something/someone was begotten, then they already existed within and the begettal was only bringing forth someone that already existed from a position of 'inside of' to a position of 'out of.'Whether begotten, created, or both…[Read more]

Charles,Revelation1:1 The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. Revelation 12 10 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say:   “Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God,   and the authority of his Christ. For the accuser of our brothers,   who accuses them befo…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Nov. 12 2011,12:53) I have ALWAYS said that Christ was under God while on earth.If Jesus was “under God” (YOUR words), then he couldn't possibly BE God.  Therefore Jesus was NOT “God on earth”, correct?Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Nov. 12 2011,12:53) God's “form” constituted at least two persons. Plural unity!“at least two…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ Nov. 13 2011,07:40)Then in 22 He said:” You adore that which you know not” Again, YOU is a reference to both the Jews, and the Samaritans. It is in the same contextYour bible renders it YOU SAMARITANS WORSHIP, but I checked at least 7 Bible versions which render it YOUWORSHIP.Now that is quite a difference Mike.In order to discern…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ Nov. 13 2011,06:11)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 10 2011,07:55)Sorry Charlie……………that isn't even close to what is taught in scripture.  You seem to be just making things up.  Where is your scriptural proof of what you just stated?Luke 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.where was the Son o…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ Nov. 13 2011,06:03)Quote (mikeboll @ 64)So if a scripture said that Michael the archangel was with God before the world was, would those words mean that Michael was also from eternity?  YES or NO Charles?Mike !Who is Michael the archangel?I don't know him!He doesn't fit in the argument.He is not within context of with thyself,…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ Nov. 13 2011,05:52)Quote (mikeboll @ 64)Does that mean that they too will be God Almighty, Mark?  YES or NO?YES!!  MIKE if it says so.If God has a plan that all his creatures will manifest God Almighty,are you capable to deny it?If Almighty God in His mysterious unfathomable wisdom has a system that all His creatures will e…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ Nov. 13 2011,00:27)I am convinced that those words are a proof that the almighty god is referring to himself as MAN to be able to die.Nehemiah is referring to the many judges God sent as saviors to the nation of Israel – long before Jesus came as God's sacrificial Lamb.  So once again, here are your three choices, Charles:1.  God l…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ Nov. 11 2011,14:10) Acts 7:55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,So the glory of God includes Jesus!Stephen was able to see ALL OF Jesus, at the right hand OF God. But Stephen could not see the God that Jesus was at the right…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ Nov. 11 2011,12:40)Mike,I wish you respect God Himself regarding His nature!!The verses hereunder make it abundantly clear that any attempt to fully understand God's nature in purely worldly terms is an exercise in arrogant futility.Premise:  We can't possibly understand the ways of God.  It would be like trying to teach an ant t…[Read more]