Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Nov. 14 2011,19:53)Mike,We're done Buddy! You cited only the first sentence of my statement and totally ignored the substance of it. I pointed out that the illustration of Pharoah and Joseph was not apples to apples but apples to oranges.Sonny Roo,You must PRETEND that there is some big difference between the signet ring…[Read more]

Asking one to explain their understanding of scriptures is not harassment, Frank.They are simple questions that you can't answer.  We all know this now.  Enough said, right?Your decision to not answer them tells me and many others here that you can't answer them.  And that makes me know that no matter how hard you cling to your unscriptural do…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 14 2011,19:46)Also, regarding the 'ego eimi'…why would people die in their sins?  They all believed that He existed.  He was claiming something more than just existence that one had to believe.That's why the NIV has it right.  They understand and translate the spirit of what Jesus was saying.  He was saying that if you…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 14 2011,19:28)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 14 2011,19:20)Nope, Kathi.  I went to that thread AFTER I finished with this one.  And I've already addressed your points over there.  But to be fair, I brought up Rev 4:11 to you a couple of weeks ago – and until today you HAVE refused to address it.But since we are discussing it in…[Read more]

Kathi, do you think the one Jesus called “my God” while he was on earth is the same one he called “my God” after he was exalted?

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 14 2011,19:51)Pierre,A firstborn already has existed for a while within it's 'host' before getting the title of 'firstborn.'And the word BORN also implies a time when that one DIDN'T EXIST AT ALL.

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 14 2011,19:02)Quote (mikeboll @ 64)There is only ONE Jesus, Kathi.  The Son of Man who said “I came down from heaven” is the Son of God who was in heaven before he came down from heaven. There is also only one Mikeboll here but sometimes I speak to you as the moderator and sometimes I speak to you as just a member.  I b…[Read more]

Bump for GeneQuote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 17 2011,06:33)Mike…………You and your ignorant Co-Hart need only produce ONE Scripture that Shows Jesus was there that is all Just ONE.Gene,All I'm asking is HOW, if Jesus WASN'T there, could the dinosaurs have been created FOR him? In what way did God create the dinosaurs FOR someone who wasn't even…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ Nov. 14 2011,13:43)But what did God do to solve all these confusions, obvious He sent His Son, His express Image, His embodiment, and for the first time ever, God became real for humanity, God became man! No more of a mystery, no more unknown.So then because Jesus came, we now are able to understand why God would kill Moses after…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 14 2011,08:18)Mike…………….Spirit does not have all kinds of meanings as you falsely assume, it has only one meaning , Spirits are, simply put,  the intellects that abide (IN) a Person  Luke 24:37But they were startled and frightened and thought that they were seeing a spirit INTELLECT ABIDING IN A PERSON.Is t…[Read more]

Hi Frank,Did you know that if you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice?By refusing to answer my questions, you have answered a lot of questions for all concerned.  peace,mike

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Nov. 14 2011,18:24)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 15 2011,10:40)Hi Frank,Are you unable to answer the questions?Mike,I have answered you questions! BTW! Your avatar fits you well in that you don't even bother to hide in sheep clothing.Hide?  Why would I?  I have nothing to hide.You couldn't have possibly answered the questions f…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Nov. 14 2011,11:38)You're in denial Mike. You deny that Jesus is the “only” Son of God.You're so much in denial that you can't even bring yourself to write the word “begotten”! Jack, I DO believe that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God. Why don't you?Jack, is Jesus the Son OF God, or God Himself? What did Jesus himself…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Nov. 14 2011,11:38)Quote (mikeboll @ 64)When God again brings his firstborn into the world, he says, “Let all God’s angels do obeisance to him.”This is proof of WHEN God's angels will do obeisance to Jesus.  Also, WHOSE angels will do obeisance to him?  HIS OWN angels?  Or “GOD'S angels”?I was hoping you would say this&#03…[Read more]

Good post, t8.  One more point:  Nor would it have even been blasphemy if Jesus was God.  Yet Jesus took offense to the Jews and asked why they would accuse him of blasphemy.  For him to deny blaspheming meant that he was capable of blaspheming.  And God cannot possibly blaspheme against Himself.

Nope, Kathi.  I went to that thread AFTER I finished with this one.  And I've already addressed your points over there.  But to be fair, I brought up Rev 4:11 to you a couple of weeks ago – and until today you HAVE refused to address it.But since we are discussing it in the other thread, how about you address my “I AM I AM” post to Jack in this th…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 14 2011,18:02)Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 14 2011,09:55)KathiQuote The Isaiah passage seems to be the Father speaking about the Son of man which was not involved in creation…the Son of God was involved in creation.  The Son of God was not yet the Messiah when He was with the Father in the beginning and all things were…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 13 2011,23:39)No he wasn't ever referred to as the only 'created son.'  It refers to Him as an only 'begotten son.'  You are twisting the meanings to force it to fit your theology.“God CREATED me as the first of His works”.  “He is the firstborn of all CREATION”.  “I am the beginning of the CREATION of God”.  It is YOU who…[Read more]

Hi Frank,Are you unable to answer the questions?

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 14 2011,15:54)KjQuote And Mike thinks by such arguments he is going to destroy Trinitarianism! why would you think anyone try to destroy trinitarians ?did Christ try to destroy the dogma of the zealots, Pharisees,or Sadducee ??it their live that as to be important to them ,Eze 3:18 When I say to a wicked man, ‘You w…[Read more]