Gene, MY Lord said, “I came down from heaven” and I believe him.YOUR Lord said, “I came down from heaven” and you DON'T believe him.That is our biggest difference in understanding.  And our Lord being sent from heaven into the world as an atoning sacrifice doesn't in any way make him the God who so loved the world that He sent His Son into it as…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 18 2011,15:58)ED j ……….It sure would brother. I do know all of us (THE WHOLE HUMAN RACE)  preexisted in the Plan and Will of GOD from the very foundations of the earth Just like Jesus also did. So in what way God foreknew us that is up in the air I only know i do not recall any Preexistent life whatsoever,  But t…[Read more]

Gene, we would all believe your theory if the things you mentioned were the ONLY things said about the origins of Jesus in the scriptures.  But as most of us know, what you've posted adds up to only HALF of what we know about our Savior.You cannot rightfully blame US for believing ALL of the scriptures while you only believe HALF of them, can…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 17 2011,20:16)Mike and Irene,If you don't believe that Jesus is God as the Son and the Highest one together with the Father then you are believing in an idol god if He is anything less.Kathi,Just because YOU aren't able to tell the difference between a piece of wood that a man carved and called a god, and an angel of God,…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 17 2011,20:41)Pierre,Very funny!”…do not let them be heard on your lips.”  I don't think you can get around this command when you do all things in Jesus name.  Nor could you get around it if you even mention Satan, Deborah, or any of the angels – because you'll never know which one of them was called “God” by Moses in t…[Read more]

Shimmer? Could you please help Gene out here? Pierre has already sworn off talking to him, and I'm real close to doing the same.PLEASE help your friend see how his own words prove that there is more than one definition of “spirit” in the scritpures.

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 19 2011,11:02)Mike……… Mike, there is hardly nothing Frank has said or posted I haven't said here time and time again for over 6 yrs here little man. And about itching ears your have then more then anyone here as has been proven many times here if Pierre or Irene or T8 say any thing that itches your ears you ju mp…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ Nov. 19 2011,15:44) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 20 2011,02:15)Actually, there are many christs listed in the scriptures.  I am not aware of Satan ever being one of them though.Mike I said LUCIFER NOT SATAN.Ezekiel 28:14Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ Nov. 19 2011,15:36)Yes Mike God most High could have a God of His own.In fact at the very end Mike, all creatures will become God visible and invisible but still one God.Sorry Charlie,That ship don't sail on these waters.

Quote (carmel @ Nov. 19 2011,14:07)Take a look at the obvious error of spelling it Jehovah as Jehovah's Witnesses demand it. We will not quibble with the three vowel guesses, but two of the four consonants are wrong! What a silly blind organization the Watchtower is.Charles, Do you believe it was the JWs who first came up with the name “Jehovah”…[Read more]

I have not only found that to be true, but am many times very upset by it.If one's understanding is SOOOOOO right, then why would that one be SOOOOOO obstinate when it comes to answering simple questions and defending their understanding scripturally?

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 19 2011,16:14)Just because He is called the word of GOD in REV…………Thank you for your answer to my question Gene. Was that so hard?

Gene, did you pick #1 or #2 from my post? Please pick one of the only two choices there are.

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 17 2011,21:24)Mike,you wrote:Quote If Jesus is not the One who made all these things, then he must be one of the things that One made.That's false teaching.  If Jesus is not the one being addressed, that doesn't mean that He wasn't with the one being addressed and that the one being addressed didn't make all things by…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 17 2011,21:15)Can a Boll talk to a Boll?Let's say I named my son “Mike Boll” and we shared the same glory.  I would not say, “MY name is Mike Boll and I will share MY glory with no other”.  I would say “OUR name is Mike Boll and WE will share OUR glory with no other”.Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 17 2011,21:15)Quote (mikeboll @ 6…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 18 2011,15:41)Now please don't try to say i have not answered you questions Mike.But you HAVEN'T answered my point, Gene.If you say that the disciples thought they saw a spirit being, and Luke described what they thought they saw using the word “spirit”, then the word “spirit” MUST HAVE meant “spirit being” in that…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ Nov. 18 2011,01:05)Mike, and Terra.Sigh…. Do you know how interesting our conversations used to be – when it was Christians, Muslim, and Jew – and Athiest – and Agnostic??Now were talking about spirits with bodies.Shimmer,If those are the topics YOU enjoy discussing, then who's stopping you? Do you see the point we're making to…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 18 2011,00:33)Mike,Am I correct that you do believe that Jesus did have a flesh and bone body when he stated those words?Yes Kerwin.This is one of my beliefs I had to adjust since coming to HN. I used to think Jesus was raised from the dead as a spirit being, but Shimmer used this scripture to point out my flawed…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 18 2011,16:14)Jesus is a Greek translation of the Hebrew name Joshua as names has meaning at the time.That is right.  And if I remember correctly, Johsua means “Jah saves”.Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 18 2011,16:14)I would be interested to find out what the tetra-gram was translated into Greek as by the seventy.In the oldest…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ Nov. 18 2011,00:15)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 18 2011,08:43)Quote (carmel @ Nov. 17 2011,15:19)At the very end after all God would eventually become Christ………….What?!?  Charles, don't you even know what “christ” means?    It refers to an anointed one OF God.  Are you saying that God became HIS OWN anointed one?  YOU DON&…[Read more]