Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 01 2011,21:49)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 02 2011,09:41)Hi Edwardo,So why don't you use that same understanding for John 1:14-15?  From the time “The Word” is mentioned, there is no other subject mentioned.  Therefore, just like in my example, the “his” and “him” will both apply to the aforementioned subject.Just like you knew t…[Read more]

Ed,Show me from scriptures.

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 03 2011,08:33)the Original Testament only used shows a LIVING Soul as a Complete human Being That is an inaccurate statement, Gene.  In fact, in the “Soul” thread, I posted a scripture that spoke of a woman dying after childbirth.  And it said her soul escaped from her.  Gene, who was the “her” that the soul left?But th…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 02 2011,22:35)Hi Mike, these verses “may” help you to understand who “The Word” is…The Word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore. (Hebrews 7:28)Ed,You and I have discussed these scriptures already.  I will try once again:Heb 7Others became priests without any oath, 21 but he…[Read more]

Okay Ed,Then follow your claim through logically:1.  14 The Word (IN WHICH JESUS WAS) became flesh and made his dwelling among us. That still says it was the Word who became flesh.  It does not say “the Light inside the Word became flesh”.2.  We have seen his glory, the glory of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.This is st…[Read more]

Gene,If you walk outside and you start getting wet, that is a HINT that it is raining. But let's not make this about my choice of the word “hint”.Instead, just please answer the question directly.

But it was THE WORD that became flesh, dwelled on earth, and had the glory of God's only begotten, Ed.I know you WANT it to say, “The Word CAME TO BE IN someone who was flesh, and THAT PERSON INTO WHOM THE WORD CAME had the glory of God's only begotten”.But it simply doesn't say that. You are taking totally illogical liberties with simple…[Read more]

Asana,The plural form of any Hebrew word refers to one of two things:1.  One majestic thing.2.  More than one thing.The singular gods Molech, Dagon, and Ashteroth were all called “elohim” in scripture.  The plural word “adonim” was used of the singular being of Pharaoh.The plural word for “tree” could either mean one great tree, or many trees.  S…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 01 2011,21:34)the subject (“The Word”) continues until verse 14.In verse 15 the subject switches to Jesus. I hope this helps.It might help if you could show us how this is possible.14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 02 2011,06:42)T8……….Notice carefully,  for IN HIM was life. What was that life (IN) him , was it not the Eternal GOD who Jesus said was (IN) Him , now if you agree with this, then we can move on to see how this “LIFE” came to be (IN) the Man JesusGene……………….Notice carefully:If the one the life was in…[Read more]

Gene, “nephesh” isn't in the NT because it is a Hebrew word, not a Greek one.  But there is one Greek word for “spirit” – “pnuema”.  And there is a DIFFERENT Greek word for “soul” – “psuche”.  And there is yet a DIFFERENT Greek word for “body” – “soma”.  In the following scripture, you can see that Paul mentions ALL THREE things – not just ONE thi…[Read more]

I assume that YOU are “all that you are”. Should we start calling you “they” and “them”? Do you call yourself “we”?

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 02 2011,07:39)All the prophets pointed to a Man a human being no prophesy of any kind says that the prophesied person we alive prior to his berth on this earth and Jesus never said he was alive a any kind of being before his berth here. Gene, Jesus himself explained it to the Pharisees.  He asked them if the Messiah…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Dec. 01 2011,18:19)Here is the first page of a group where I wrote about the Trinity Doctrine back in 2000.http://www.heaven.net.nz/writings/trinity.htmThat writing was the first thing I ever read online about the Trinity. It was brilliant and scriptural accurate. That's why I tracked down where the writing came from and joined HN.

God is a unity of who, Asana?

Quote (Stu @ Dec. 02 2011,04:47)'Hey!, can't you take all this religious trash talk back up into the fantasy conspiracist's section of the website?', he retorted.  'There's nothing here that belongs in a skeptics section!!'StuartIt's funny to me that you think t8 set up a section of his site just for you, Stu.  In reality, the whole site belongs t…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 02 2011,10:42)Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead after he had been dead even longer than Jesus was assumed to be so Jesus would not have been the first to rise from the dead.That's a whole different subject – which we can discuss if you'd like. I also wonder how Jesus is the “firstborn from the dead” when Jesus himself…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 02 2011,10:26)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 01 2011,12:46)Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 29 2011,21:32)What I am saying is that all things were created by God throuh His word I don't have any evidence that Jesus was alive before the word came flesh, if you can show me some that would be great.How about John 17:5?And now, Father,…[Read more]

Gene,Jesus came to reveal much about God that we didn't know before. For example, Jesus told us that angels don't marry. We didn't know that from the OT, right?So I take the fact that Jesus said not to fear those who can ONLY kill the body and NOT the soul to mean that they are separate things. I truly don't know how else to take it.