Hi Ed,I know of those scriptures. Please pick just one of them to start, and show me why you think it teaches Jesus's second coming was at Pentecost.

And that's your choice, Ed. Just like you are the only person I know who disputes that Jesus is the Word of God in Revelation, you are also the only one who thinks Heb 7 speaks of Jesus' creation.Have it your way – but know that:1. You are alone in your beliefs.2. The rest of us have no trouble seeing that you are willing to interpret…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 03 2011,14:17)In him(The Word) was life(Jesus);Correct.  So life/light/Jesus was in the Word, and not the other way around, right?So please go back a few posts, where your #1 started out with “the Word was in Jesus”, and re-address my point with your corrected understanding. (It was the fifth post on page 193 – please start…[Read more]

That's also what I first thought when I read Ed's post, Pierre.I was thinking of a bear that wants desperately to eat POISONED food……….and we're trying to keep that from happening.I do agree with Ed and Wm that teasing is not the answer – and I will try to remember that in the future.I regret to think that someone might have refused to hear…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 03 2011,12:28)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 04 2011,04:37)Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 03 2011,11:29)It speaks of both.Wrong.  Hebrews 7 says NOTHING about the origins of the being of Jesus.  It speaks of the appointing of Jesus to the position of High Priest.Hi Mike,You are making a “Reductive Fallacy” error.God blessEd JNo I'm not, Ed.I'm p…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 03 2011,12:25)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 04 2011,04:35)Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 03 2011,11:16)1) The Word (WHICH WAS IN JESUS) became flesh and made his dwelling among us.Whoa, whoa, whoa……………let me stop you before you even get started.The scripture says the Light was IN THE WORD.  It does not say the Word was IN THE…[Read more]

Absolutely! One in purpose with him. That means there are MORE THAN ONE, all of whom are one in purpose with each other.So when God says “Let us create”, our singular God is speaking to other(s) who are “unified” in purpose WITH Him.

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 03 2011,11:29)It speaks of both.Wrong. Hebrews 7 says NOTHING about the origins of the being of Jesus. It speaks of the appointing of Jesus to the position of High Priest.

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 03 2011,11:16)1) The Word (WHICH WAS IN JESUS) became flesh and made his dwelling among us.Whoa, whoa, whoa……………let me stop you before you even get started.The scripture says the Light was IN THE WORD. It does not say the Word was IN THE LIGHT.Your conclusion cannot possibly be accurate, because you have started off…[Read more]

Hi Tim,I love you, but I'm taking a break from you for a while. I keep asking simple questions to which I want DIRECT answers. And your idea of a “direct answer” is to post MANY words about how you believe.Unfortunately, there is not a direct answer to my questions within those many words.peace and love to you and yours,mike

Ed,Show me from scriptures that Jesus's second coming happened at pentecost.

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 03 2011,10:47)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 04 2011,02:50)Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 02 2011,00:29)If I would ask you if it was the Word made flesh that was dwelling among the people of that time and has a glory like the glory of the only begotten of God that John was speaking of then you would agree.   The difference between us is that…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 03 2011,10:48)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 04 2011,02:58)So let's break it down:1.  John called Jesus the Word of God in Revelation.  Hi Mike,Where?God blessEd JChapter 19, verse 13.Ed, you are the ONLY one on this site that won't accept this clear teaching – because it doesn't fit into your own philosophy of what the scriptures t…[Read more]

Ed,Was it not because of those very rules of grammar that you knew I was asking a question about Keith even though the word I used was “him”?

Yes Gene,We are in agreement. In fact, all of us pre-existers believe all of the scriptures that speak of Jesus being born and growing up human. The difference lies in the fact that you non-preexisters ONLY believe those scriptures, and ignore the many other scriptures that say: YES, Jesus was a human being, but he also existed with glory…[Read more]

Gene,I don't use E-sword, but I use biblos.com and NETNotes every day. In fact, I look into the Greek or Hebrew words and their various definitions before I make my decision about what a particular scripture is teaching.I'm glad you are using a similar source so you can learn beyond the way the translators rendered the scriptures.But none of that…[Read more]

u·ni·ty   /ˈyunɪti/  Show Spelled  Show IPA noun, plural -ties.  1. the state of being one; oneness. 2. a whole or totality as combining all its parts into one. 3. the state or fact of being united or combined into one, as of the parts of a whole; unification.You'll notice from definitions 2 and 3 that a “unity” can only apply to MORE THAN ONE…[Read more]

Gene,Which word from which verse are you talking about? Which “HE”?And why don't you want to address my post? If you say Jesus is the Light that came into the world, you need to follow that back to the beginning of the chapter, and show where “Jesus” was ever mentioned.Because the pronoun “him” cannot possibly refer BACK to Jesus unless Jesus…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 02 2011,00:36)John 1 also speaks of the “Word of God”, right Kerwin?  Because we know it doesn't speak of anyone else's “Word”, right?So if it is clear to all that John 1 speaks of “the Word of God”, and Jesus is actually called “the Word of God” by the same author, wouldn't you agree that's quite a coincidence?Mike,You are…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 02 2011,00:29)If I would ask you if it was the Word made flesh that was dwelling among the people of that time and has a glory like the glory of the only begotten of God that John was speaking of then you would agree.   The difference between us is that you believe Jesus is the Word while I believe Jesus is the Word made…[Read more]