Actually Kathi,The whole passage is about the FATHER as the subject, and the Son as the OBJECT of words the Father said ABOUT him.See? It is the FATHER who is doing all the action. It is the Father saying this about the Son, and that about angels, and this other thing about the Son, etc.In fact, God is the only one doing any action at all in…[Read more]

Yes, He did.Click here to see one of the many times Jehovah said, “I am Jehovah”.  Notice the Hebrew word “aniy” that proceeds His Name.This shows that even if His Name was “I AM”, any time He claimed to BE “I AM”, He first said the word “aniy”, which means “I”, or “I am”.In Hebrew, it says “aniy YHWH”.  BOTH of those words TOGETHER mean “I am I A…[Read more]

Hi Ed,Are you suggesting that I'd be better off believing YOUR commentary instead of experts like Barnes, Strong, and Clarke?I believe the scriptures, Ed. Commentaries only add insight – much of which I reject out of hand because it contradicts the scriptures.

I was thinking of verse 7, but good job, Pierre. For a man should not have his head covered, since he is the image and glory of God. But the woman is the glory of the man.

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 05 2011,05:57)………in this way the Logs became Flesh (IN) Jesus.Gene,Where does scripture say the Logos became flesh IN JESUS?

Quote (t8 @ Dec. 05 2011,00:58)At this stage I do not know enough about that to comment. My level of understanding here is that autos can be HE, SHE, IT, and I have not looked into other ways on how we know the difference except for context.But thanks for pointing this out. Have you got a link or reference I could check out?Yep.NETNotesLook down…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 04 2011,23:54)In verse 15 the subject switches to Jesus, the embodiment of light in mankind.It's really pretty simple, I don't know why you're so baffled over John 1:1-15?All,I did a little exercise with Ed in the “Incarnation” thread a while back, because I knew how he was going to address John 1:14-15.  I asked him this…[Read more]

Quote (ftk @ Dec. 05 2011,04:02)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 05 2011,02:18)Tim,Matthew 10:15I tell you the truth, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town.What do those words from Jesus mean?  What is the “day of judgment” Jesus is speaking about?Mike: If a man walk up to you and asks you the salvation…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 04 2011,22:12)Hebrew has no such wording as εγω ειμι {ego eimi} in Geek and {i am} in English.Actually Ed,It's “ego eimi” in transliterated GREEK. In GEEK, it's “leggo my eggo”.

Quote (shimmer @ Dec. 05 2011,06:04)……it doesn't make us God, though we are part of God.Hi Shimmer,You get an A for your effort to show Charles that Jesus is not the God who brought him forth into existence. But we are not “parts of God”. We are beings that God created apart from Himself…………as is Jesus.We are creations of God, not par…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ Dec. 05 2011,09:55)Pierre,I appreciate your effort,but to me,with every respect it is rather a confused belief.Christ was with God in the beginningAgain: A spirit within a spirit or two beings in One spirit?Two completely separate beings. The Spirit of One was the life-force of the other, just as that same Spirit is the…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 05 2011,07:32)Mike…………Fact is they are all part of ONE CAR, and if he fixed the transmission and lights he fixed the Car them. Yes Gene, IF those were the only two things broken on the car, then he fixed the car.  But you are missing my point.  The mechanic would either say, “I fixed the car”, or he would say, “…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 05 2011,07:12)Now for you Next question do i believe Jesus came down from heaven , yes (IN) this sense, He had a preplanned berth from God……………Hi Gene,Couldn't that same thing be said about every human being who ever lived?Why did no one else ever claim to have come down from heaven?  God told Jeremiah He…[Read more]

Try it this way Asana:Genesis 1:27So God created ADAM in his own image, in the image of God he created him (ADAM); male and female he created them (MANKIND).Doesn't Paul clarify this for us by pointing out that man is the one made in God's image, while woman was made in man's image? I can't put my finger on the scripture right now because I'm…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 04 2011,13:17)MIke…………..God is not a HE……………Yahweh is the HE………….Forgive my confusion, Gene, but isn't Yahweh God?

t8,The pronouns associated with “the Word” in John 1 ARE distinguished as singular masculine.  Do you understand this?  I mentioned it before, but you didn't reply.In other words, there is NO CHANCE that the Word is called “it”, because the pronoun “autos” is in the singular masculine form, making the Word be a “he”, and not a “she”, “it”, or “…[Read more]

Bump for Kathi

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 04 2011,11:59)Mike you are breaking context with that approach and forcing a bias.  You have to account for the 'and' which is connecting the  phrases having to do with the Son.  There is nothing said to indicate a change in the speaker or person spoken about.KathiDear Heavenly Father,You have made all things be…[Read more]

Gene,I'm asking you to stop linking pre-existers with Trinitarians in your posts.  Is that not a good enough reason for you to stop?3.  Will you now address how it is that you “believe” Jesus, but don't believe him when he said he came down from heaven and would ascend back to there again?

Gene,Three things:1.  Please refrain from linking me, Pierre, and t8 with Trinitarians.  YOU said we would discuss without the name-calling.  Please honor your own word.  I am not a Trinitarian, nor do I believe that Jesus is the God he is the Son of.2.  I have heard your rhetoric about how you WANT Jesus to have been “just like us” about a mill…[Read more]