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    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 12 2011,07:21)Mike……….Let me Paraphrase Matt 10:28 for you……….Do not fear his who can destory the Body but can not Kill the complete Being, But fear him who can destory the Spirit and the BODY (IN) the “GRAVE”. The spirit doesn't get destroyed, Gene.  The spirit goes back to Him who gave it.  So your a…[Read more]

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    Yes Kathi,That IS my point.  We wouldn't know that Jehovah WAS Jehovah, unless someone said “He is Jehovah”.  Or unless He said, “I am Jehovah”.If I said, “The Great Pretender, and I love you”, what would you make of it?Compare to, “I am The Great Pretender, and I love you”. Now it makes sense, (sort of :) ).Here's a scriptural one:”Jehovah, and I…[Read more]

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    John 5:23 (King James Version)That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father.Gene, is Jesus saying that he deserves the SAME EXACT honor as the Father deserves?

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    mikeboll64 replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 11 months ago

    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 12 2011,08:58)You and your word are one and the same thing, as far as Glory goes concerning GOD GOD said he gives (HIS) GLORY to (NO) MAN, and I believe Jesus was a MAN>Bingo!Gene, WHOSE glory do YOU have?A. Gene has the glory of Gene.B. Gene has the glory of someone begotten by Gene.Which one is accurate, Gene?

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    mikeboll64 replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 11 months ago

    Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Dec. 11 2011,16:56)The word translated as “God” in John 1:1 are in reference to Father YahwehThat's impossible, Frank.  Because ONE of the words translated as “God” was said to be WITH the other word translated as “God”.Frank, are you willing to claim that God Almighty can be WITH God Almighty?  ???   Can mikeboll64 be WITH mi…[Read more]

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    mikeboll64 replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 11 months ago

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 11 2011,10:34)Okay Gene,Let's say that you are right, and your word IS you.  Is your word a child of yours that you have begotten, or is it YOU?If it is YOU, then it would have the glory of YOU, and not the glory of a child you have begotten.This is the point I'm making, Gene.  Are you able to address it sensibly?Bump f…[Read more]

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    Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 11 2011,11:01)I don't consider it a contradiction I consider it a revelation and I find the Bible supports this revelation even Jesus says:I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.John 16:11-13Hi Asana,I've heard some compelling arguments from you, but this is not one of them.  With this…[Read more]

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    Gene,Jesus says you're wrong:Matthew 10:28 Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.Paul says you're wrong:1 Thessalonians 5:23May your whole spirit, soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.The writer of Hebrews says…[Read more]

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    Just make sure that if you start with , you end with . If you forget the slash at the end, or start with B and end with U, it will end up like it did for you this last time. :)Practice makes perfect.

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    mikeboll64 replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 11 months ago

    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 11 2011,10:13)MIke……… So what is you and your unscriptural teaching like ?, is that Like Your Co-hart Pierre, itching your ears, i notice you seem to take that as a complicate right?And what is your point, Gene?  Are you saying that you ARE considering the alteration of your former belief that Jesus is the “Word…[Read more]

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    mikeboll64 replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 11 months ago

    Okay Gene,Let's say that you are right, and your word IS you. Is your word a child of yours that you have begotten, or is it YOU?If it is YOU, then it would have the glory of YOU, and not the glory of a child you have begotten.This is the point I'm making, Gene. Are you able to address it sensibly?

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    Let me state again for the record:  If this video only showed the comparison of how one nation acted after an earthquake, versus how another nation acted after an earthquake, I would not have thought it racist.Even with the words, “Can you really see REAL Kiwis gang raping and killing each other after the earthquake?” written on the screen, as if…[Read more]

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    Ed, If Pierre's point about YOU using secular sources was “irrelevant”, then so was YOUR point about US using them. Agreed?

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    Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 10 2011,19:20)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 11 2011,04:35)Can anyone tell me of a specific Muslim belief that CONTRADICTS scripture?Yes the biggest difference is this revelation from the Quran:That they said (in boast), “We killed christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah.;- but they killed him not, nor crucified…[Read more]

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    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 11 2011,09:39)Jesus is not himself the Holy Spirit, he has these Seven Spirits with POWERS (HORNS), that does not make HIMSELF those Spirits.So Gene,Who is it in Revelation that has EYES of fire? Jesus? The Holy Spirit? Or the seven spirits of God?

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    mikeboll64 replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 11 months ago

    Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 10 2011,20:50)Hi Mike,Compliment or no Gene is going to agree with me in the end as you pointed out; and that is a compliment.So then you will take it as a compliment that you are speaking unscriptural things, and your buddy will eventually agree with those unscriptural things just because your words tickle his itching ears?…[Read more]

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    mikeboll64 replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 11 months ago

    Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 10 2011,20:47)After Jesus is mentioned at the end of verse 14 as “the only begotten of the Father”,”him”, “he” and “his” then refers to Jesus, as the focus switches to Jesus.But it is “The Word” who is referred to by the words “the only begotten of the Father”.THE WORD is who became flesh………….AND dwelled among…[Read more]

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    mikeboll64 replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 11 months ago

    Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 10 2011,20:39)Hi Mike,The father's glory is in his children.And Jesus is God's firstborn.That is completely unscriptural, Ed. The Father says He will share His glory with NO other.God's children have the glory of God's children – not of God Himself.Only God has the glory of God. And God does not have the glory of one of His…[Read more]

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    Gene,Which version of John 17:14 are you reading? I can't find one that says the disciples were “from above”.

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    Quote (Devolution @ Dec. 11 2011,02:12)Quote (jammin @ Dec. 11 2011,12:28)who is this GOD that spoke to the prophets long ago Hebrews 1:1-2Hi Jammin,It was the Father.I am not sure where your question is going here…I believe Jammin is making the same point you are, Devo.The God who spoke to the Israelites through many different prophets is the…[Read more]

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