Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 23 2011,16:56)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 24 2011,08:02)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 23 2011,07:37)You have run many of this site by your personal attacks on them and your put downs………..Like who, Gene?Like …….Astiri, and Paladine,Frank, Marty  and on it goes.Istari was banned for breaking MANY rules over and…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ Dec. 23 2011,02:37)No, me being smarter than you is not intended to impress anyone.That actually explains a lot about you, Stu.Luke 10:21At that time Jesus, full of joy through the Holy Spirit, said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to l…[Read more]

Quote (TimothyVI @ Dec. 23 2011,06:24)Hi Mike,I joined this site five years ago and was at that time as much a believer as anyone here.It wasn't stu, or any skeptic that caused me to start to doubt the truth of the bible. It was the constant arguing among devout “believers” themselves about what it said.You said, “If you don't agree with us about…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 22 2011,21:06)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 22 2011,16:58)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 22 2011,09:30)A God begets a GodA man begets a manKathi,I noticed you used the phrase “God the Son” five times in the post to which I'm responding.  Where can we learn about “God the Son” in the scriptures?  And can we also learn about “God the A…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 23 2011,07:37)You have run many of this site by your personal attacks on them and your put downs………..Like who, Gene?

Quote (carmel @ Dec. 23 2011,11:34)Mike, where did I agree that there there are THREE valid possibilities for John 1:1c ??You are right, Charles.  I thought you had addressed this post from page 71.  But instead, you posted your own source, and the discussion veered away from what I was showing you, and to something you wanted to show me.But h…[Read more]

First of all, I never claimed that Satan himself said he was God's son. I claimed (truthfully) that Satan is CALLED a son of God in scripture.It was YOU who put the spin on it that if Satan HIMSELF never said he was a son of God, then I was “making conclusions” – whatever that means.But I held up my end of the deal, jammin. I showed you where…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ Dec. 21 2011,19:53)you and me are equal. in what sense? in the nature of man. you know what is the nature of manOkay, so you and I are equal in nature.  What exactly IS the nature we equally partake in?  Isn't it the nature of HUMAN BEINGS?And, according to your flawed translation, Jesus was equal in nature to his God, right?  …[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 21 2011,20:27)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 21 2011,19:36)Whichever “God” spoke through Jesus is the SAME “God” who spoke through the prophets.  That is what the scripture says.I agree.  I just believe that the Son as the begotten God also spoke to the prophets.  You have admitted that you believe that the Angel of the Lord is…[Read more]

T8,What you said is obviously the truth of the matter. Is someone here actually claiming that all things came from nothing?Tim seems to agree that something(s) has existed from eternity. How about Stu?

Hi Toby,And welcome to HN.  I really enjoyed your post.  I have never thought of it the way you understand it, with “today” being in the midst of the millenial reign.A lot of things clicked in my head while thinking about what you said, like why isn't demonic possession as evident today as it was in Jesus' time on earth?  It seems like one of th…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 22 2011,05:19)Hi Gene b.so angels have a body, but Satan The fallen angel does not have a body??Gene believes that angels have bodies, but doesn't believe that angels are ministering spirits, like Paul says.  He doesn't believe that Jesus became a life giving spirit, but that he “had a life giving spirit put inside of him”.He…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 21 2011,10:21)May I ask you a question Gene B.What is your doctrine based on; It is definitely not the bible.Gene,How long did Wakeup have to discourse with you before making that conclusion?She's barely been here a week, Gene. I sincerely hope this will be a “Wakeup” call for you. Don't you think it's time you climb down…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 18 2011,22:04)Hi t8.With no humans,Who can satan tempt,how can satan cause suffering?THis is my question.He apparently tempted God's angels. A third of them chose to follow him. How he could cause the angels to suffer is not clear to me. But they sure seemed ecstatic to get rid of the accuser of the brethren when he was…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 21 2011,23:40)I think that the term 'firstborn' confuses you and you replace it with 'first created' in your mind.“Firstborn OF every creature” most definitely refers to the first creature ever created.You replace the common sense words of scripture with your own imagination in an attempt to FORCE the scriptures to teach…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 21 2011,23:15)No Pierre, It simply shows that He was there in the beginning.  It says nothing about Him not being there before that. Stick to scripture, this will help you.Kathi“God created me as the first of His works”. “He is the firstborn of every creature.” “His origins are from ancient times.” “Today I have…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 21 2011,22:44)WJlooks like you are in full glamor,with your favored colors,just like the pope,

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 21 2011,21:35)Mike,Why do you forget that the Son emptied Himself of something. If He emptied Himself of something, then He had less of the 'something' than He did before.And YOU forget that it was AFTER he died that he was exalted to an EVEN HIGHER position than the one he left.If, from this EVEN HIGHER position, he still…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 22 2011,09:46)Jehovah never directly said “I am I AM.” Kathi, you are starting to irritate me with these games.Do you or do you not believe “YHWH” means “I AM”?You have already argued vehemently that “YHWH” DOES mean “I AM”.So, that in mind, any time Jehovah actually claimed to BE Jehovah, He said in Hebrew, “aniy yhwh”,…[Read more]

Quote (TimothyVI @ Dec. 22 2011,15:25)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 22 2011,09:43)And Tim,Could you answer what proved to be too hard for Stu?  Could you give me an honest and direct answer to:  WHAT IS YOUR END GAME?  WHY IS IT IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO CONVINCE US THAT THERE IS NO GOD?Hi Mike,Show me any place where I have tried to convince anyone that th…[Read more]