Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Jan. 09 2012,18:17)Mike,Do you not believe that one can have esteem for his own son (daughter, children) before they are even born or come into existence?No Frank, I don't.  I'm not trying to be rude, but I would call that as illogical as thinking a “thought in God's head” could be said to be WITH Him, or said to “EXIST”.But…[Read more]

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Jan. 09 2012,17:58)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 10 2012,10:54)So Frank,Do you agree with Marty's and Gene's contention that Jesus pre-existed as a “thought in God's head”?Mike,You know full well that I do………Then couldn't Peter have said, “I was with God in the beginning……………as a thought in His head“?In fact, can't…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 09 2012,06:12)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 09 2012,02:30)Hi Wakeup,What is your opinion of this site?Do you think the KJV people are trying to gain name recognition for the JWs?Hi Mike b.I think we have to be patient,it will take time to clear up what we have been fed with in the past.People like to stick to the old,and if you…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 09 2012,07:21)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 09 2012,12:16)Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 08 2012,16:49)Yes brother,Gods word is God…….So then it was God Himself who became flesh and had the glory of the only begotten OF God?  How does that work?  Is God His own “only begotten”?MikeB.I thought I was clear on that,but it seems that some m…[Read more]

He was absent for a couple of weeks, but I saw where he just posted a new thread yesterday.

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Jan. 09 2012,17:55)Father Yahweh does not LITERALLY dwell in or with men. Yahweh dwells in and with men in spirit. Note that Yahshua said that Father Yahweh dwells in him when he was here on Earth:Believe you not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but THE…[Read more]

So Frank,Do you agree with Marty's and Gene's contention that Jesus pre-existed as a “thought in God's head”?

Luke 24:37 They were startled and frightened, thinking they saw a spirit.Gene, could you tell us what the bolded, supersized word above MEANS in this scripture? Can you give us the DEFINITION of that word?

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 09 2012,08:23)Mike……….Trust me you are completely wrong on this  issue, your understanding of Spirit having all kind of Meanings is not right. Gene,The word “spirit” in Luke 24:37 means “spirit BEING”.  You can either accept that FACT, like EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE WHOLE WORLD, or you can keep denying it and trying t…[Read more]

What a close, exciting game that was! I've always liked Ben, and half felt sorry for him yesterday (although I was rooting on the Broncos). But he needs to recover from that ankle injury before something really bad happens anyway. So maybe it was a blessing in disguise for him.

Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Jan. 08 2012,20:35)Secondly, I am afraid that I can't possibly make up for your willful ignorance when it comes to evolution.If you are unable to dumb it down and explain it to me, then what good are you?If I was the one defending evolution, then I'd know what I was talking about. All I'm doing here is asking questions that I…[Read more]

Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Jan. 09 2012,11:59)Unless you think of the sky/firmament as a solid dome through which rain falls when holes are opened up, this passage makes absolutely no sense.In other words, the bible is demonstrably wrong.Job 26:7He stretches out the north over empty space and hangs the earth on nothing.How long was it before men started…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ Jan. 09 2012,00:14)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 09 2012,12:48)Nope.  I'm asking WHY the first cells would have “invented themselves” with a reproductive capability in the first place.It seems much more likely to me, that if your trillion to one fantasy about life creating itself happened at all, it would have been a one time thing, and…[Read more]

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Jan. 09 2012,16:09)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 10 2012,08:53)Quote (942767 @ Jan. 08 2012,21:18)Hi Mike:In the beginning was the Logos which is what God has spoken pertaining to Jesus, and what God had spoken pertaining to Jesus was with God (this embodies an idea or a plan) and the Logos(what God has spoken relative to Jesus…[Read more]

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Jan. 09 2012,14:26)Mike,Who do you believe the following verse speaks of or pertain to:”The days are coming,” declares Yahweh, “when I will raise up to David a righteous Branch, a King who will reign wisely and do what is just and right in the land (Yeremyah 23:5.Jesus.Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Jan. 09 2012,14:26)Now, who do you…[Read more]

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Jan. 09 2012,14:07)You are not presenting your false reasoning as a whole in your post individually in that you erroneously believe that Yahshua was LITERALLY Father Yahweh's word as a separate being apart from Him that pre-existed with Him in the beginning. But Jesus DID exist as a separate being apart from Jehovah in the…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Jan. 08 2012,21:18)Hi Mike:In the beginning was the Logos which is what God has spoken pertaining to Jesus, and what God had spoken pertaining to Jesus was with God (this embodies an idea or a plan) and the Logos(what God has spoken relative to Jesus was God).The Logos is God in that God is love, and it is through His giving us His…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Jan. 08 2012,18:11)Hi Mike:What God had spoken pertaining to Jesus became a reality, and Jesus began to exist in the flesh.Okay Marty,Let's try out your theory with the scripture:1 In the beginning was WHAT GOD HAD SPOKEN PERTAINING TO JESUS, and WHAT GOD HAD SPOKEN PERTAINING TO JESUS was with God, and WHAT GOD HAD SPOKEN…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ Jan. 08 2012,17:07)Are you asking about how the first cells might have reproduced?Nope. I'm asking WHY the first cells would have “invented themselves” with a reproductive capability in the first place.It seems much more likely to me, that if your trillion to one fantasy about life creating itself happened at all, it would have been…[Read more]

Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Jan. 08 2012,14:14)All I am saying is that evolution is more in line with all of the evidence I have been exposed to thus far than the bible is – by a long shot!Which part of evolution? The part where life just happened out of thin air? Or the part where that first life also thought ahead and made sure it MADE ITSELF with…[Read more]