Quote (toby @ Jan. 26 2012,01:59)Did I not answer you as to 'When did Jesus become a Spirit'.Let me rephrase it for you:Toby, when do you think Jesus stopped being a human being and became a spirit being?(And actually, your original answer was “everyone is a spirit being”, or something to that effect. Then you corrected yourself, which opened the…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 24 2012,13:34)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 24 2012,10:40)What does it mean that God SENT His own Son in the “likeness of sinful flesh”?  If Jesus never was anything BUT “the likeness of sinful flesh”, then how does that statement make sense?MIke………….If God were to sent YOU right Now , would he be sending you as in…[Read more]

Fair enough, Wm.

No Kathi,God is not a member of creation.Abraham is the father of all Israelites, right? His firstborn son (according to the promise) was Issac, right? So that would make Issac the “firstborn of the Israelites”, right? Yet his father was NOT an Israelite, was he?And it doesn't really matter WHO you want to argue was truly the “firstborn of the…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Jan. 25 2012,17:17)No Mike! The Jews said “beelzebub.” Jesus replied, “And if I by is beelzebub cast out devils….”Luke 11:18If Satan is divided against himself, how can his kingdom stand? I say this because you claim that I drive out demons by Beelzebub.In the scripture above, is Jesus referring to the kingdom of a carved…[Read more]

So, since you butted your way into the conversation, which one would you like to convince jammin that he is wrong about:A. Jesus is the one who created all things?B. The Word in John 1:1 and 14 is Jesus?

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 25 2012,01:05)Hi Jammin,Pierre reads into the text and then accuses others of reading into the text; it is funny, is it not?Really Ed? Are you saying that Jesus IS the one who laid the foundations of the earth? Because that is what jammin is claiming.

Quote (jammin @ Jan. 24 2012,20:39)also in verse 8, it's clear that the father says to the Son that he is GOD.And verse 9 speaks about the God OF the one spoken of in verse 8.  God Almighty doesn't have a God of His own.jammin, read and learn:Jesus was begotten BY his God. (Psalm 2:7, John 3:16)Jesus is a creation OF his God. (Col 1:15, Rev…[Read more]

Jody,Whether it annoys you or not, the question Paul is answering in 1 Cor 15 is, “With what kind of BODIES will the dead be raised?” The answer is “SPIRTUAL BODIES, because FLESH cannot inherit the Kingdom of God (enter into heaven)”.

Quote (toby @ Jan. 25 2012,02:10)(There answereth the thread topic: 'Do Spirits have bodies : No, because by definition Spirit means BODILESS!! Why did it take 454 pages to say that?)Because the question in the thread title refers to spirits such as angels. And I know of no scriptural source that says angels are “bodiless”, do you? I do,…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ Jan. 25 2012,03:20)But, Mike, Paul here is speaking of the sun and the moon and the stars, and talks about the Resurrected Bodies.So the elect will be raised with bodies that are shaped like planets and stars? I don't get your point.

Quote (toby @ Jan. 25 2012,01:53)As Mike has pointed out: God will cloth the Spirit of his elect. In other words – God will give their Spirit an everlasting body to dwell in on Earth.Doesn't that seem an odd thing for God to do, considering the citizenship of the elect is in heaven, and not on earth?

Quote (toby @ Jan. 25 2012,01:53)The sentence should have read (now with some additions):'Jesus in Heaven is a Spirit; God is a Spirit; The Angels and all the Heavenly Hosts are Spirits.Heaven is the realm of the Spirit.That sounds better. And now my question still stands to you:Toby, when did Jesus BECOME a spirit? A. From the time God raised…[Read more]

Quote (toby @ Jan. 25 2012,02:10)Perhaps you could invent a word for what you are thinking, but 'Body' is already taken.Paul's term “spiritual body” works just fine for me, thanks.

Quote (seekingtruth @ Jan. 24 2012,19:49)Genesis 19:10 But the men put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door.There are plenty of cases where angels are seen by all and some where they were able to physically interact with people. Why was there no mention of eyes being opened, because they already were…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 24 2012,21:33)Mike, please answer this: Would you agree that the default meaning of the word firstborn would be the first offspring born to his/her parent?I agree with the way you originally put it:  “Firstborn” has a default meaning of “the one born first”.Now, a question for you:Kathi, out of all the firstborns of the…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 24 2012,21:10)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 24 2012,18:36)Kathi, is there any indication from this scripture that the Son through whom the God of verse 1 AND verse 2 spoke is the God who did the speaking?No.Very good.  So, before we move on, we both agree that – according to Hebrews 1 – only ONE God spoke to us throughout…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Jan. 25 2012,14:49) Quote (mikeboll @ 64)Jehovah Himself calls Satan “the god of Ekron” in 2 KingsGod called a carved image “the god of Ekron.”And Jesus calls that same god, Beelzebub, “the prince of this world”.  Interesting that Jesus speaks of the many activities performed by this “carved image”.  Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ J…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 25 2012,00:42)MikeFirst of all where do the scriptures say Jesus was “exalted to a higher position than the one he left to become flesh”? The scripture says he returned to the Glory he shared with the Father from the foundation of the world. John 17:5Actually Keith, In John 17:5, Jesus asked to be returned to the SAM…[Read more]

Quote (Jodi Lee @ Jan. 24 2012,22:36)If “ALL” power comes from our Father YHWH, then it is my understanding that the magicians performed what they did by YHWH's powers.So then later, Jehovah judged and punished Himself? Jody, could it be that the gods of Egypt were much like Satan, spiritual beings that God created with much power, who, also like…[Read more]