Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 27 2012,21:37)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 27 2012,17:41)Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 27 2012,11:37)Proverbs 8 shows us that 'wisdom' existed BEFORE God's works of old.Actually Kathi,Proverbs 8 says that wisdom was the FIRST thing God created.  End of story.  Believe what you want, I will believe the scriptures.  And I will also be…[Read more]

Quote I will use your exact word:Jesus became a Spirit in Heaven on his ascension into Heaven.Jesus became a Spirit…? Mikeboll, ask yourself exactly what you mean by this 'Became' a Spirit?Toby, do you mean this quote above?    He became a spirit IN HEAVEN when he ASCENDED TO HEAVEN?   Is that a joke?  Isn't that like saying Toby became a hum…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 27 2012,11:37)Proverbs 8 shows us that 'wisdom' existed BEFORE God's works of old.Actually Kathi,Proverbs 8 says that wisdom was the FIRST thing God created. End of story. Believe what you want, I will believe the scriptures. And I will also believe common sense that says a father ALWAYS, WITHOUT EXCEPTION, exists BEFORE…[Read more]

Quote (toby @ Jan. 27 2012,01:12)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 27 2012,06:37)Toby, when do you think Jesus stopped being a human being and became a spirit being?If I haven't answered it (In a way which you understand), then please let me know.  If you had, would I still be asking for an answer? Let me make this REAL easy for you. Did Jesus change…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ Jan. 27 2012,00:58)Mike, my point was that – in 1Cor 15:39-42, Paul was not speaking about the Bodies of God or Angels,Sure he was, Shimmer. He was answering the question, “With what kind of bodies will the dead be raised”. He was trying to answer that question from verse 36 all the way until verse 54.Every bit of it has to do…[Read more]

Gene,God also said that apart from Him, there was no savior. So, which do you believe:A. Jesus is NOT our Savior?B. Jesus IS God Himself?Which one, Gene?

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 26 2012,17:35)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 27 2012,06:30)[Doesn't it strike you as an odd thing for Paul to say if Jesus had only ever been in the likeness of sinful flesh up until the time God sent him?No i don't think it strange Mike , if Paul was trying to show Jesus was true in every way like we are, not strange at…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 26 2012,18:09)Can we at least agree on that MIKE?Gene,Until we both agree on the DEFINITION of “spirit” in Luke 24:37, anything else you say is pointless. Because I can't show you what I have to show you until you are able to see what only you can't see.

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 26 2012,17:13)MIke………..That is all you have to do is show us ONE PERSON IN SCRIPTURE THAT HAS EVER SEEN A SPIRIT.I can show you a lot of them, Gene.  But first, you have to gain the knowledge that angels ARE spirits, just like Paul said. Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 26 2012,17:13)come on Mike this Luke thing is…[Read more]

Is that it, Jack?  More personal attacks?   Go back to the other thread, stand, and defend.(Btw, I got a warning from t8 about using that word.  I won't do it anymore.  The majority of warnings are without tiles the first time, Jack.  You should know, I gave you untiled warnings before you ever got your tile.  A tile, btw, that I asked t8 to re…[Read more]

Gene,Jehovah is the God of gods. He couldn't be that unless there existed other gods for Him to be the God of.Paul told us there are many gods in heaven and on earth. Who are these gods, Gene? And don't say “false gods” or “so-called gods”, because neither of those terms are in any scripture in the Bible.Paul surely didn't say “there are many…[Read more]

Hi Wakeup,I don't think we ever finished our discussion. (If you answered in another thread, sorry but I haven't come across it.)The point I was making is if THE PERSON Jesus is the one who said HE had glory with God before the world was formed, then doesn't it stand to reason that THE PERSON Jesus was with God as a sentient person at that…

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 26 2012,16:09)its no wonder this site can not advance in understanding and grow in Gods Word.Gene,I've witnessed people on this site advancing in understanding and growning in God's word all around you for over two years now.Everyone keeps growing except for you.

Gene,For the thousandth time, this thread has ALWAYS been about spirits such as angels and God. This thread has NEVER been about whether or not “team spirit” has a body.When are you going to tell me the DEFINITION of the word “spirit” in Luke 24:37? I don't need a paragraph of the usual rhetoric, just a simple two word answer. Come on Gene, you…[Read more]

jammin,Are you ready to deal with the scriptures yet? Try addressing the first post on this page.

Yeah, it is just a game. But apparently, my nerves don't realize this when I'm watching!

Kathi, My question had to do with “any indication from Hebrews 1”. Would you answer the question DIRECTLY?

Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 26 2012,00:06)Was Reuben the literal firstborn of the Israelites…yes.  Does that one “the firstborn of the Israelites,” true as it is, imply that the Israelites, as a whole, is his parent…no, although it implies that Israel was his parent.Ahhh…………..  But was Reuben's father an ISRAELITE?  No.So, does Jesus' fa…[Read more]

Jack,Don't run away from our questions in the other thread by starting a new one. Come back, stand, and defend.

Okay Toby,In the spirit of trying to understand each other, I'm going to do what you should have been doing since we started conversing with each other.  Notice how my answers will be short and to the point, without any added world views or any added ad hominems about people “clutching” at things.Quote (toby @ Jan. 26 2012,01:59)Here is the…[Read more]