Quote (ftk @ Jan. 31 2012,04:39)It is appointed unto man, once to die! Then comes the judgment. I died, I put away the thoughts and beliefs of TK and began to take on the truth from God through Jesus.Paul died to Christ too, Tim. Yet, even AFTER that, he still said that he (we all) would be judged for the things he did on this earth – whether…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 30 2012,22:24)However, you seem to think that should apply to God's Son also…………..First of all, I said “sure” to move this discussion along.  A child can be aborted at any time before he is born – would YOU say that aborted child had once “existed” as a part of human kind?  Would there be any records of his “…[Read more]

Quote (toby @ Jan. 30 2012,23:25)Mikeboll, I said Jesus was raised up in his same Body that was now Spiritual.Okay, so Jesus was raised from the dead as a HUMAN BEING again, with the same body in which he died, right?You say his body had been changed from “natural” to “spiritual”. What does that mean? What would be the difference between Jesus'…[Read more]

Hi Toby,I read nothing in the way of an answer to this point:Do you agree that since Jesus was FIRST a spiritual being, then he is an exception to the rule in Paul's 1 Cor 15 teaching?

You're entitled to your opinion, Toby.

Now, to finish up with Hebrews 1:1-2, we have agreed that, ACCORDING TO THAT SCRIPTURE, there was but ONE God who spoke to us through the prophets of old and through His prophet Jesus in these last days, right?  Right.And we have agreed that the ones who were spoken through did not do the speaking, right?  Right.And using that same reasoning, a…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 30 2012,22:53)If you don't then I will make a poll about it or put you on the hot seat about it.Do what you want.  I've led you to the water, Kathi.  I'm not required to do anything more than that.I'll just ask this question back of you:Kathi, I sent you this message THROUGH the internet. Is the internet the one who sent y…[Read more]

Hi Keng, and welcome to HN!  It is so simple, isn't it?  Yet it is so hard for many people to actually believe the following scriptural teachings:Jesus was begotten BY God. (Psalm 2:7, John 3:16)Jesus is a creation OF God. (Col 1:15, Rev 3:14)Jesus is the Son OF God. (Matt 16:16)Jesus is the Word/Spokesman OF God. (John 1:1, Rev 19:13)Jesus is t…[Read more]

Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 31 2012,15:59)On Christ's return he will claim his own throne and exercise all his authority.  This is when he will rule, with the power given him.And even then, he will still be ruling in the strength and name of his Father and God.  (Micah 5:4)Even then, he will still be “Prince” and “King” to Jehovah's “God”.  …[Read more]

Gene,I agree with you that Jesus was raised in the exact same flesh, blood, and bone body in which he died.As far as your “body” definition, don't you think you should give ME the definition of “spirit” in Luke 24:37 first? I've been asking for two months.

Absolutely I understand it just like that, Gene.Now, tell me the difference between “apart from me, there is no savior”, and “apart from me, there is no god”.

jammin,You have no “pearls” that I'm interested in – only translations where Trinitarians added words into the scriptures, because they don't teach “their truth” without the added words.

Wrong thread, Gene. I'm awaiting your answer to the “saviors” in the other thread.

Quote (toby @ Jan. 30 2012,14:58)Hi Mikeboll.  I think you know exactly what Gene is saying.'God is not the God of the dead'When I said “everyone”, I meant every living person.  Isn't Jehovah still the God of Satan – whether or not Satan serves Him?Isn't said that God makes the sun shine and the rain fall on the wicked as well as the r…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 29 2012,17:23)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 29 2012,18:10)Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 29 2012,15:19)Mike,You answered correctly…there are two theos spoken about.  1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was in the beginning with God. 3All things came into being through Him, and apart…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 29 2012,17:40)Can you admit that your son was alive the day before he was born?Sure.Can YOU admit that there was a time when your sons and daughters DIDN'T exist?

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 29 2012,20:10)Mike what is that guy beefing about with is Heb;1;10,that he can not swallow he almost choke on it ;is the bible turning on one verse strange getting stuck like thatYeah,He figures that if all the other scriptures say the God OF Jesus created all things, and Heb 1:10 doesn't spell out that it was said about…[Read more]

Quote (ftk @ Jan. 30 2012,05:55)Jesus is my eternal, lord and savior unto God. I am whatever they say I am.They say you will be judged for what you did on earth, whether good or bad.peace to you, Tim

Quote (toby @ Jan. 29 2012,17:21)You said in one of your post to me … “Jesus was raised from the dead in the same exact, human, flesh and bone body that he died in.”I seem to read that Apostle Paul, in his Epistle to the Corinthians concerning how the dead are raised up, said the following in (1 Corinth 15) … 'That which is sown is not the…[Read more]

Quote (toby @ Jan. 29 2012,16:54)Hi Mikeboll.You said: 'So Jesus was an exception in both cases.'So it seems you are slowly cutting Jesus out of all aspects of what Paul said to the Corinthians about the raising of the dead.Hi Toby,I asked you a simple question, and got two novels back in return, neither of which addressed my question.  Here it…[Read more]