What do you want me to think about it, Ed? It doesn't say one word about Jesus having already come the second time.

Gene,Jesus had a certain amount of glory as a man on earth – John says so.But Jesus asked God to return him to the even greater glory he had at His side before the world began.But God didn't do that – instead, God exalted him to the highest place. He became EVEN MORE superior to the other angels than he was before he was made flesh, and was given…[Read more]

Ed,He warned that Jesus had NOT yet come…………way after Pentecost.

Quote (Marlin1 @ Feb. 04 2012,23:35)#1  Mike,  You premise is that Jesus was raised in His same body and then changed on His way to heaven.  Don't you know, He had already been to heaven. JOHN 20:17 † Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and…[Read more]

Quote (toby @ Feb. 05 2012,05:27) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 05 2012,12:24)Is is possible for the term “spiritual” to refer to something that BELONGS TO a spirit being?  YES or NO?Mikeboll, I think you should know by now that I would not answer such a question with a 'Yes' or 'No' answer.Why?  It is either possible, or it is impossible.  Which on…[Read more]

Quote (journey42 @ Feb. 05 2012,03:44)Why don't you address me Pierre?I have a name?If you feel so strong about your statement, then give proof.It saysIn the beginning was the Wordand the Word was WITH Godand the WORD was GodHi Journey,Perhaps you will join me and your friend Wakeup in the thread I started for him. Look for a thread called “For…[Read more]

Quote (toby @ Feb. 05 2012,03:54)Mikeboll, what does this mean in John 17: 24: '…Father, I desire that they also whom you gave me may be with me where I am that they may behold my glory which you gave me…'  Where was Jesus when he said this?  John 17:13I am coming to you now, but I say these things while I am still in the world, so that they m…[Read more]

So the Word WAS God, but then God made him into a separate person and now he is NOT God anymore? God sort of “divided”, like a cell does?

Okay, I'll address the other issue in the other thread now. Please tell me if you think the Son of God is the God he is the Son of.

Wakeup, I've asked this question of you in so many threads now, perhaps you did finally answer it in one of them. Regardless, would you mind answering it here?

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Feb. 04 2012,20:18)Paul PROMISED the first generations saints that God would crush satan under THEIR feet.Jack,Paul is the one who said for us not to believe any talk about Jesus's second coming already happening.Paul's words were for his generation AND ours. Jesus like Isaiah wasn't speaking only to his current generation…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 04 2012,19:29)Gods word is with God; always has been. and will always be his word.God is the alpha and the omega,Jesus is also the alpha and the omega. God is one; There is no saviour beside him.You can't possibly think Jesus IS God Almighty, do you? I've seen your posts. Have you answered my question on the Hot Seat thread…

Quote (toby @ Feb. 04 2012,17:08)What is the spiritual law (Romans 7:14)?  In all cases of the use of the word 'Spiritual', it is in reference to 'Righteousness, Truthfulness, Powerfulness, Gloriousness, etc).Hi Toby,I'm not looking to have a novel sent back to me, but just wanted to make one point.Ephesians 6:12 NET © For our struggle 1  is no…[Read more]

Well,You came in a little heavy handed, Mike.  As if YOU have all the answers because YOU'VE been given them by God…………and we're all just kids still on milk.I'm sure you are right in many cases, but just claiming that you have been given divine revelation doesn't do much in the way of helping any of us to understand why you interpret…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Feb. 04 2012,17:53)You know I am a Preterist Mike. Just go to preteristarchive.com and acquaint yourself with Preterism.Jack,Listing yet another understanding of scripture in which you fell away from the narrow path is not going to lend you more credibility in this topic.(I would keep your Preterist beliefs under your hat.)

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Feb. 04 2012,17:52)You could be honest and say, “Okay satan is not hotheos in 4:4 but this does not prove that Jesus is God?”How would that make us honest, if we don't believe your interpretation? Jack, do any of the reknowned commentators interpret 2 Cor 4:4 the way you do? If so, who?

Jack,Where did you learn the stuff you just posted? 1. Are we to think that Paul's letters were addressed only to his generation? Does the NT not apply anymore to us in 2012? Satan and his army WILL eventually be trampled under the feet of Jesus and his saints – but that has not yet happened.2. “Woe to the land and the sea” is somehow…[Read more]

Okay Georg,What is the answer?Wakeup? What is your answer?

Gene, did you vote? Rivermike………how about you?

Paul also warned against being mislead that the second coming of Christ has already occured. He wrote this warning way after Pentecost.