Hi Toby,From Barnes:In high places – ἐν τοῖς ἐπουράνιοις – “in celestial or heavenly places.” The same phrase occurs in Ephesians 1:3; Ephesians 2:6, where it is translated, “in heavenly places.” The word (ἐπουράνιος epouranios) is used of those that dwell in heaven, Matthew 18:35; Philippians 2:10; of those who come from heaven, 1…[Read more]

Quote (toby @ Feb. 06 2012,14:37)Mikeboll, where it says that Jesus was made lower than the Angels for a little while, does it say explicitly that he was higher than the Angels to start with. If he was equal to the Angels, the being made lower would still apply, wouldn't it?You make a good point.I have always assumed that since the angels were…[Read more]

Quote (toby @ Feb. 06 2012,14:16)Hi Gene.  How about you and Mikeboll agreeing to drop the word 'Being'………… “”We”” are intelligent enough to know that 'Spirit of Truth' is not a 'Being'.””We”” are intelligent enough to know that 'Spirit of Wisdom, Love, Righteousness, …' are not 'Beings'.Can you and Mikeboll move on, Please??But are we…[Read more]

Quote (toby @ Feb. 06 2012,04:46)Hi Mikeboll. 'Wickedness' is not 'Personal' to an Angel alone.  Humans also can be possessed of 'Spiritual Wickedness'.  And how about “spiritual wickedness IN THE HEAVENLY REALMS”?Would that still apply to human beings as well?

Quote (toby @ Feb. 05 2012,16:02)Are you saying that you now believe that a Bodiless (Incorporeal) Spirit can manifest a body (Corporeal) in the physical world?No Toby.  And it is for this very reason that I started that post with a disclaimer charging you not to use those words out of context later.  Yet you couldn't help yourself, could you?It i…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 05 2012,17:58)He was not a man when He was begotten before the ages. You speak of Him as if He was a man at that point. He was not.KathiThe word is “yalad”, and refers to the bringing forth of someone into existence. The word in Proverbs is “created”, and we know that since the OTHER angels of God were created, there was a…[Read more]

It was a good, close game. What more could you ask out of a SuperBowl?

Hi Nick,I disagree in that some don't taste death at all, but are changed in the twinking of an eye, taken up to heaven, and wait under the alter asking God, “How long until our blood is avenged?”I don't believe that everyone who dies goes right to heaven, but I do believe that some of those killed directly for refusing to deny our Lord and his…[Read more]

Quote (Marlin1 @ Feb. 05 2012,15:11)Mike, John was most certainly born again and he was still human.So the resurrection will be the THIRD TIME John is born, and not the second?And John was a spirit being while on earth………..like an angel?

Kathi,When someone turns 50, do they say they've lived for 50 years and 9 months?And do people, AS A GENERAL RULE, have funerals for their stillborn babies and speak of the great EXISTENCE that child enjoyed?In your zeal to make the scripture teach your unscriptural doctrine, you have started claiming crazy things – much like KJ does. If Jesus…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ Feb. 05 2012,13:35)Mike,Since you are so sure of what you're saying!!!What is the difference between Our Lord GOD Jesus Christ,and god of the world Satan?There are many, many differences between Satan and Jesus. But there are also many similarities. I'm quite sure that you are capable of listing the differences all by yourself,…[Read more]

Toby, are you saying that it is NOT an ability belonging to a spirit being to manifest a body?   Is it an ability belonging to a human being?Here is another one for you:Matthew 18:10See that you do not look down on one of these little ones. For I tell you that their angels in heaven always see the face of my Father in heaven.Would you consider…[Read more]

I'd feel better if you just let it go and addressed my posts. And I should have added this to the end of the last one:Likewise, it's better not to just assume Jesus existed within his Father from eternity and then try to force the scriptures to fit around your made-up assumption.

Quote (Jodi Lee @ Feb. 05 2012,11:30)No,because “heaven” or “heavens” is symbolic of a position granted by God, not literally somewhere in the sky, and certainly not God's righteous abode, where only those incapable of sin dwell.If that's the case, then why did the disciples watch Jesus ascending back to heaven? Why the ascension if heaven is…[Read more]

Quote (Jodi Lee @ Feb. 05 2012,11:13)The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.Hi Jody,Do you now accept that those words mean Jesus became a life-giving spirit BEING?

Jack,We disagree on many things. But in this thread, you were trying to show that Satan wasn't called “ho theos” in 2 Cor 4:4.He was called “ho theos” in 2 Kings 1 in the LXX version of the OT though. So does your point really matter? Both Jesus and Satan are gods of whom Jehovah is the God of. They are only two of many gods in heaven and on…[Read more]

I agree that will be the case for those who are resurrected to a life on earth. But what need of flesh would a being dwelling in heaven have?

Jodi,I disagree, but your posts are too long for me to discuss each point you make.Quote There is NO “falling from Heaven”, where only the righteous do dwell. Any “falling from heaven” in the bible represents men falling from their position of power that God had granted them. The OT teaches us that God’s prophets/messengers became lying proph…[Read more]

Georg,If you add Phil 2:6 into your post, where it is clear that Jesus was existing in the (spirit) form of God before he emptied himself and was made into the likeness of a human being, you will have a hat trick.

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 05 2012,08:52)ED J…………Well i finely found something me a Mike agree onYes Gene,That will happen each and every time you actually speak ACCORDING TO the scriptures. When you start doing that about every scriptural subject, you'll find we agree on every scriptural subject.