Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 08 2012,06:29)Like becasue they “THOUGHT the SAW a GHOST or Spirit , that means there really does exit Spirit “BEINGS”.Gene,The Luke 24:37 point was never even about whether or not spirit beings exist. It was about the word “spirit” MEANING “spirit being” in that verse.When will you admit that it does?

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 08 2012,13:26)Hi f4,Scripture says several times that Jesus is a man.Scripture says that Jesus came in the flesh. Scripture says that because the children were flesh, Jesus also had to partake in the flesh to fulfill his mission.But scripture also says Jesus was existing in the form of God BEFORE he came in the flesh.…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 08 2012,11:19)Hi T8, Yes that describes the anointing on Jesus CHRIST.Actually Nick,It says he was existing in the form of God, then emptied himself, and was MADE IN THE LIKENESS OF A HUMAN BEING.If Jesus already was a human being before the anointing at the Jordan, then your understanding has no choice but to be…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 06 2012,22:39)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 07 2012,10:49)Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 06 2012,08:33)They also teach that one must do certain hours a week(must put on record) preaching from door to door; working for the lord they say.Yet In luke It says; GO NOT FROM HOUSE TO HOUSE.(luke10:7.)Do you really think that Luke 10:7 teaches us not…[Read more]

Quote (toby @ Feb. 07 2012,18:00)Hi Mikeboll. Like I said……………………………………………………………………………..So you can't bring yourself to acknowledge what Thayer, Strong, NETNotes and most of us here already know, huh? Toby, one of the definitions of “spiritual” is “belonging to a spirit being”. You don't…[Read more]

Exactly.

Quote (journey42 @ Feb. 07 2012,16:14)and God turned his Word into fleshI can't understand why this is so hard to comprehend?If God turned His Word into flesh, and that flesh Word was Jesus, then how can you say the Word was speaking THROUGH Jesus if Jesus is in fact that Word? Do you see now why your explanation is hard for us to understand?

We're trying to get Gene to see that it is not good policy to go around ADDING your own words into the scriptures. You will never be able to come to a true, scriptural understanding when you add your own words to change what the scripture really says.Is that wrong of us?

That's correct, Nick. Out of all the MANY christs/messiahs Jehovah has had, Jesus is the only one who has been exalted to the name above all names.I never said any different, did I?

I think Toby makes a good point here, Pierre.We assume that as God's firstborn and the one through whom all was created, that Jesus was above the other spirit beings in heaven.We know he is now, but is there really scripture that says he was before?

8 All who ever came before me were thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not listen to them. 10 The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.Do you seriously think Jesus is referring to the prophets and anointed ones of old? Where does the scripture tell you that? It says “All…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 07 2012,13:58)Hi MB, Are you arguing with Jesus words?Are you arguing with God's words, Nick? It is He who said Cyrus was his faithful messiah.

Hi Devo,Thanks for that post explaining how you understand things.  It is not scripturally accurate, as we know from Heb 1:2 that the universe was created through the Son of God. (It seems that you don't think Jesus was God's Son until he was born of Mary, right?  So that doesn't fit.)All things in heaven and on earth were created through the S…[Read more]

I didn't see one of those scriptures addressed, or verses 23 and 24 of Proverbs 8 addressed.(And Kathi, notice that I didn't use NetBible, although they also use “create” in the three scriptures I posted for you.)

Luke 11 47 “Woe to you, because you build tombs for the prophets, and it was your forefathers who killed them. 48 So you testify that you approve of what your forefathers did; they killed the prophets, and you build their tombs. 49 Because of this, God in his wisdom said, ‘I will send them prophets and apostles, some of whom they will kill and oth…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 06 2012,19:51)Hi MB, Should we listen to Tertullian?Only if what he says matches what the scriptures say, Nick. Well? Does not scripture say that all things come FROM our God and THROUGH our Lord, Jesus? Are they the same person, or different ones like Tertullian said?

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 06 2012,21:19)Does Ed believe that Jesus has already come (the second time)?Yep. Ed (and also Jack, I think) believes that Pentecost was the second coming of Jesus.

Beware the log in your own eye.

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 07 2012,08:52)Mike……..another wrong assumption about Jodi Lee………..Wrong Gene. Her exact words and the link to the discussion are right there on the previous page.She, like you, used to think there were no such things as “spirit beings”, because that exact phrase is not used in scripture. She does not think…[Read more]

Quote (toby @ Feb. 07 2012,01:06)My point to Mikeboll is that these 'Spiritual forces' are not unique to Angels………….And who says they have to be unique to angels?  Take the phrase “spiritual strength”.  Now, that phrase could refer to the strength a human being gains through an answered prayer.Or, it could refer to the strength of the s…[Read more]