Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 09 2012,14:43)Hi MB, The Word.Not one verse theology but let the Word teachThat's right Nick. You get the gold star.We must test the spirits against the written word of God. And how do we do that if not by our human wisdom and logic, which let's us understand the written word of God?

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 09 2012,14:53)Hi MB, Several classes in Christ?That's right.  Some will even help Christ rule over some others.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 09 2012,14:53)Heavenward does not define the place but the unity in God.And what human wisdom and logic tells you this?  Verses 20-21 seem to support the meaning of “a life in heaven” -…[Read more]

Demean? Should we let our personal interests get in the way of what the scriptures teach?

Paul always spoke to the congregations with the assumption that all were of the elect class. Some of those who read his words fell away from the truth at a later time, and fell into the teachings of other so-called apostles.But that didn't stop Paul from writing as if everyone who would ever read his words were of the elect.We know that is not…[Read more]

Yes Nick. The spirit of all the many christs God has anointed was of God.Please address the previous post, where the three possible translations of 1:1c are shown. If you have nothing to refute this information, then just sit back and learn. I will be posting more tomorrow – God willing.

Then by what other means, Nick? Surely we can't test the spirit by means of the very spirit that might be masquerading as an angel of light.

Nor did Jesus. Nor do men exist in heaven.All these things should tell you that Jesus was NOT a man when all things were created BY God THROUGH him – you know, during the time he was existing in the form of God before he was made into the likeness of a human being.This should also tell you that Jesus can't be a human being in heaven now.

Hi Charles,Many times in the OT, the angel or vice regent of Jehovah was referred to as “Jehovah”, or “God”.Would you like some scriptural examples? (I believe this is what Georg is trying to tell you.)

Hi Charles,Many times in the OT, the angel or vice regent of Jehovah was referred to as “Jehovah”, or “God”.Would you like some scriptural examples? (I believe this is what Georg is trying to tell you.)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 09 2012,13:24)Hi MB,One Jesus.Good. I'm glad you've come to your senses on that one.So it was through the ONE Jesus that God created the universe then – just like scripture teaches us?

And against what do we test that spirit, Nick? And by what means do we test it?

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Jan. 28 2012,17:27)Give it up Mike! Jacob saw God “face to face.” In the least this means that Jacob had a DIRECT ENCOUNTER of some kind with God. He wrestled with God. God took a form so Jacob could have a DIRECT ENCOUNTER with Him. God appeared to Jacob.Geez man!Hosea 122 The LORD has a charge to bring against Judah;  …[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 09 2012,01:46)However, no man can see God.Hey t8, I just happened to be reading Hosea today.  Remember when Jack was insisting that Jacob wrestled God Himself and saw Him face to face?Hosea 123 In the womb he grasped his brother’s heel;   as a man he struggled with God. 4 He struggled with the angel and overcame him;   he wept…[Read more]

Quote (Marlin1 @ Feb. 08 2012,19:21)Quote Indeed the WORD was with God and was GOD.Mike,This is what I agreed to.  Sorry I didn't post the Nick's quotes before.MarlinHi Marlin,I hope that both you and Nick (and even t8) will join Wakeup, me, and some others in the thread entitled “For Wakeup”.I have just begun to discuss John 1:1, and how it is…[Read more]

The following info is from NETNotes, comprised from 25 Trinitarian scholars, who would like nothing more than for John 1:1c to really say “the Word was God” – meaning Jesus is God Himself.Colwell’s Rule is often invoked to support the translation of θεός (qeos) as definite (“God”) rather than indefinite (“a god”) here. However, Colwell’s…[Read more]

Quote (journey42 @ Feb. 09 2012,06:36) …….but Christ always was the Word, from the beginning.Yes, from HIS beginning – before the ages.This is the point I'm trying to make to you, Devo, and Wakeup.  The “Word” in John 1:1 is Jesus, the Son of God.  He was the Word AND the Son of God before he emptied himself and was made in the likeness of a h…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ Feb. 08 2012,15:57)In order to gain access to these leaders, Armstrong had to donate huge sums of money to their favorite charities and give expensive gifts to these leaders directly. In addition, he could not go before these leaders as mere member of the working class. He had to go before them on their level, which meant he had…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 08 2012,19:12)Hi MB, Sounds like JW stuff.Two options??The meek shall inherit the earthI wouldn't know, Nick – I'm not a JW. Nor would it have any bearing on whether or not what I said was scriptural.We can't just say, “That sounds like something a Chinese person would say”, as if that comment would somehow lessen the…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 09 2012,10:55)Hi t8, Yahshua usually referred to himself as the Son of ManHe highlighted his human origins.His origins are from ancient days – even from Micah's time frame. (Micah 5:2)Surely Jesus didn't begin to exist when he was born of Mary.

Quote (Marlin1 @ Feb. 08 2012,22:31)REV 5:2 † And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof? 3 † And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon. 4 † And I wept much, because no man was found…[Read more]