Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 14 2012,00:04)Hi Mike,Like I said before: none of them are actually real 'gods'………….What scripture teaches you that, Ed? It surely wasn't any of the 12 I quoted for you.

Quote (toby @ Feb. 13 2012,22:19)Why, Mikeboll, because I can more easily forgive the others their errors of understanding………….So I'm the only one who is “unforgiveable”?  Toby, considering that only two of the people who have ever posted on this thread think that angels DON'T have bodies, that is an awful lot of forgiving you have to…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 13 2012,20:21)Hi MB, You are so keen to judge and divide. From where do these things come?Nick, you and Frank are both intelligent people.  Surely he is smart enough to know that Jesus said the words in 17:5, because the scripture clearly says Jesus said those words.Yet he WANTS for Jesus not to have pre-existed his…[Read more]

So the scriptures say, Nick. I haven't added a single word.

Nick, it would be no big deal for God to say He was before Abraham.  Every Jew already knew that.But for a man who wasn't yet 50 years old to say that HE was before Abraham?  Yeah, that's a different story.  Something like that would likely cause the Jews to pick up rocks to stone that man.

That's what I've been trying to tell YOU, Nick. The scripture says that Jesus said those words. How then do you take it upon yourself to change that? You say you were led to this understanding by spirit? What scripture did you test that spirit against? What scripture tells you that God said those words through Jesus?

The truth is that Frank is half-right, and you are way out there, Nick.For sure Jesus said those words, because the God-inspired scriptures tell us so. But Jesus surely didn't use the words “I HAD” to refer to something he never in fact had.The scriptural truth of the matter is that the person Jesus spoke to his God about returning to the glory…[Read more]

Because you are happy to be at peace with Frank, as long as your end game remains the same. That is not how it works though, Nick. ONE OF YOU TWO must be wrong. Which one?

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 13 2012,19:08)Hi MB, Did you not know he was one with the Spiirit?So then God was saying that He was before Abraham?  God was trying to teach to the Pharisees that He existed before Abraham?  And none of this was caught or mentioned by Jesus or John?  Only Nick has been shown this truth? I would have thought that the Ph…[Read more]

Well,I see he's started the thread. I'll be anxiously reading it to find out how Trinitarians and Non-Trinitarians are both right.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 13 2012,19:58)Hi MB, Knowledge can be a trap. Wisdom is the goal.I hope you get there someday, Nick. In the meantime, who was right about the “god” issue? You or Ed?

I do understand who Jesus is, Marlin.  Jesus was begotten BY God. (Psalm 2:7, John 3:16)Jesus is a creation OF God. (Col 1:15, Rev 3:14)Jesus is the Son OF God. (Matt 16:16)Jesus is the Word/Spokesman OF God. (John 1:1, Rev 19:13)Jesus is the Messiah/Christ/Anointed One OF God. (Luke 2:11, Acts 2:36)Jesus is the sacrificial Lamb OF God. (John…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 13 2012,19:07)Hi MB, Do you not know?No, I don't. That's why I asked you what you tested that spirit against. Please answer.

Marlin, don't you remember the post where I quoted about 12 scriptures saying that GOD raised His servant Jesus from the dead? As I recall, you didn't even respond to that post.

What other gods, Nick? Ed is saying that none exist, and you are saying they do exist, but don't rate.Which one of you is speaking scripturally?

So then you're saying that Frank's information is wrong, Nick?Do you see how lame the explanations are when you try to make scripture form around your own wishes?We've got Frank saying that the words “the glory I had” refer to a glory Jesus didn't yet have.  And we've got Nick saying that God speaking through Jesus said those words, meaning God…[Read more]

I agree with all scripture, Nick. The question wasn't about who was above who, was it? The question is whether Jehovah is LITERALLY the only god in existence. What do all the scriptures I quoted teach us?

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Feb. 13 2012,19:27)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 14 2012,10:10)Hey Frank,Who said the words in John 17:5?Mike,It is quite evident that Yahshua is recorded as saying this.Hmmm…………..  What do know about that, Nick?  Frank seems to understand clearly that Jesus said those words.  Perhaps he hasn't been given the spirit li…[Read more]

Absolutely. What I can't discern is why the God-inspired words of the Apostle John would say “Jesus answered” when it was really God who answered. Perhaps John didn't have the spirit like you do?

Oh, so the “Spirit” told you this? What did you test that spirit against, Nick?