Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 17 2012,22:28)it could relate to His begettal as the beginning act of God (not the beginning of existence) although not a creative act.Hmmm……………..let's see:Beginning of the creation by God.To me, that sounds like Jesus is the first thing created by his God. Of course, we all realize that your WISH for Jesus not…[Read more]

Quote (toby @ Feb. 18 2012,03:45)Mikeboll, 'Parameter' are values that go towards calculating the characteristics of something.  pa·ram·e·ter    noun 1. Mathematics . a. a constant or variable term in a function that determines the specific form of the function but not its general nature, as a  in f ( x ) = ax,  where a  determines only the slope…[Read more]

Quote (toby @ Feb. 18 2012,02:20)Now think how your definition does not work: What is the definition of a HUMAN BODY? What about a Fish, Bird or Animal Body? Is it not that it has FLESH.I believe that dictionary.com lists the body of an automobile as one of its definitions. Is that body made of flesh?

Quote (toby @ Feb. 18 2012,02:20)Mikeboll,Are you saying that you cannot post definitions of the word 'Body'? Does it embarrass you case to do so?Does it embarrass YOU that your “final word source” doesn't even list “body of water” in their definitions – despite the fact it is one of the real definitions of “body”?

Quote (toby @ Feb. 18 2012,02:17)Hi Mikeboll.  Are you saying that after all of these pages, you cannot post a single proof that a Spirit in the Spirit realm has a body?I could post about 100 of them – all of which you will dismiss as “visions” and “symbolic” – although you have no scriptural reason to do so.I could remind you that it was God…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 17 2012,22:04)Hio MB, You try to trap but your arguments are pathetic.How is listing two scriptures “pathetic”?  And how does this response from you reconcile those two scriptures like I asked you to do?Here are a couple more for the consideration of you and Ed:Ephesians 6:5Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 17 2012,14:39)Hi Mike,Yep, Jesus is the boss.And is YHWH also your boss, Ed? Or JUST Jesus?

1 Cor 8:6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live. Rev 4:11 “You are worthy, our Lord and God,   to receive glory and honor and power, for you created all things,   and by your will they were cre…[Read more]

Now you're flip-flopping, Nick. You said that “Jesus Christ” said it. But now it seems you're changing that answer. Are you? Did the PERSON “Jesus Christ” say the statement in John 17:5?

Quote (toby @ Feb. 17 2012,16:39)Huh?Terraricca, I thought the idea was to show how a Spirit has a body in the spirit realm?Are you saying that you cannot do this?I think he has turned it around on you, Toby. He is now asking for YOU to show that a spirit being DOESN'T have a body in the spirit realm.Are you saying that you cannot do this?

Quote (toby @ Feb. 17 2012,14:54)Mikeboll, the 'outer parameter' (perimeter?) Parameter: limits or boundariesI meant parameter.Quote (toby @ Feb. 17 2012,14:54)Mikeboll, can you post a definition of 'Body' from a credible source,Such as dictionary.com?  Did you know that out of all their 23 definitions of “body”, “body of water” is not mentioned?…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 16 2012,20:54)It is part of a word study to look at how the author uses the same word.Oh, you mean like how John meant “beginning” each time he used the word “arche”, yet you insist that word means “ruler” in Rev 3:14?

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 16 2012,22:38)Consider: LORD the owner(or the CEO), and Lord the master(or the manager), and you should have no trouble.Now consider that I'm an entry lever employee. Which one of the two you mentioned (CEO and manager) are my “BOSS”?Using your business analogy, Paul said that there is but ONE “Boss” for us, yet we know that…[Read more]

Quote (Pastry @ Feb. 16 2012,20:21)MikeExcellent reply's, it is Nick who is playing games; which is nothing new.Georg

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 16 2012,20:30)hi MB, I thought you had no time but you can play around with truth?Show me which part of my post wasn't according to scripture, Nick.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 16 2012,20:07)Hi MB,It was Jesus CHRIST who said it.So then Jesus Christ is the one who had glory alongside his God before the world began?Good Nick, because that's all I've been trying to tell you.

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 17 2012,08:17)Mike……….The one confused here is you…………..Gene,Go talk to Toby for a while, okay? Thanks.

Quote (toby @ Feb. 17 2012,03:39)Hi Mikeboll,Did you post the definition of 'Body'?In the spirit of graciousness, perhaps by showing me your credible definition of 'Body' from a credible source I can understand where in heavens realm you get the material from to build your body of evidence on this matter.Anything that EMBODIES anything. An outer…[Read more]

Good.  Then you are on to me now.    Please remember that the next time you want me to read through an entire thread in an attempt to gleen some unknown thing you are trying to show me.My time is limited, Nick.  From now on, just state your case and scripturally support it.  If the scriptures indeed support your understanding, you and I will no d…[Read more]

Gene,You are confused, my friend. Perhaps Toby will take the time to explain all the flaws in your last post, because I've spent way too much of my time trying – all for naught.