Pierre,It seems as if Nick has resigned himself to the same scripture twisting that pleases Gene so much. He has changed “the Word BECAME flesh” to “the Word came to be IN someone who was already flesh”.This is also how Gene avoids John 1:14.Nick, which one had the glory of the only begotten of God? The Word, or Jesus? Or was it the combination…[Read more]

You guys simply pretend not to see because you know that seeing will spoil your man-made doctrine.If the spirit will take FROM what belongs to Jesus, then the spirit is NOT Jesus himself. If the spirit will bring glory TO Jesus, then the spirit is NOT Jesus himself.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 19 2012,18:55)Hi , Some would argue with John using human logic. Best to listen to the Spirit in himNick,You are either ignoring or purposely misrepresenting the FACTS of John 1:1.  The FACT is that the anarthrous “theos” in 1:1c can be translated as the definite “THE God”, or as the indefinite “a god”.  This is the u…[Read more]

Psalm 148:4Praise him, you highest heavens and you waters above the skies.2 Peter 3:5But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water.John 4:14but whoever drinks the water I give him will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give him will become in him a spring of water w…[Read more]

If the Word was WITH the God, then it is impossible for the Word to BE the God.This is just common sense. Nick, like many, many others, you have been blinded by the Trinitarian translation of John 1:1 that has endured with Satan's help through the years.When God says to the Israelites, “I will be WITH you”, would you confuse the Israelites for…[Read more]

Pierre,Perhaps Nick will someday come to see all the holes in his understanding.  One day, he will be reading in John 6 about how Jesus said he came down from heaven and some would see him ascend to where he WAS BEFORE.Or, he will be reading Col 1, and notice how all things in heaven and earth were created through the only begotten Son of God…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 19 2012,17:56)Hi, The WORD was with God and the WORD was God. Scripture does not add SENTIENT PERSONS but men do.No Nick,God Himself cannot be WITH God Himself. The Word was a god who was with THE God in the beginning. That's why there is only ONE theos preceeded by the definite article in John 1:1. One of the TWO…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 19 2012,17:42)Hi MB, So you think Gen speaks of earthly water in God's heaven?Heavenly water, Nick.

Let me try again with bolded letters:Nick,In John 16, Jesus speaks of a “him” that he will send when he gets to heaven.Jesus says this “him” will bring glory to him. He says this “him” will take of what is his.This is the same “him” that will speak only what he hears, and will speak for the disciples in front of the courts and governors.I've…[Read more]

Nick? The bolded question? It seems to me you were about to show me how confused and attention-starved I am. I'm waiting.

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 19 2012,17:35)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 20 2012,17:01)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 19 2012,13:20)Hi MB, Water from heaven? Is it in scripture?Genesis 16 And God said, “Let there be an expanse between the waters to separate water from water.” 7 So God made the expanse and separated the water under the expanse from the water abo…[Read more]

Acts 2:22“Men of Israel, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know.God did the works through Jesus – just as He had done many other works through His other christs.

Yes Toby,IMO, most of what you post is unrelatable, unscriptural, unprovable garbage.But did you not notice my last of the three posts? I await your answers to the two questions.

Yes Nick.And I realize you have stumbled, and I'm trying to help you back up again.Is your answer, “Yes Mike, Jesus was talking about re-sending HIMSELF after he ascended to heaven” ?

Nick,In John 16, Jesus speaks of a “him” that he will send when he gets to heaven.Jesus says this “him” will bring glory to him.  He says this “him” will take of what is his.This is the same “him” that will speak only what he hears, and will speak for the disciples in front of the courts and governors.I've always assumed this “him” to be the Holy…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 19 2012,13:20)Hi MB, Water from heaven? Is it in scripture?Genesis 16 And God said, “Let there be an expanse between the waters to separate water from water.” 7 So God made the expanse and separated the water under the expanse from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the expanse “sky.” And there was evening…[Read more]

Okay Toby,Since I looked again at your post, and it seems you took a lot of time and effort to make it all pretty and such, I will answer each point……………………………immediately after you answer my two questions that have been waiting.

Quote (toby @ Feb. 19 2012,15:19)Mikeboll, it is fantastic that you can, so slowly and serruptiously, modify your ideas each time that you are shown to be wrong.If I'm so “wrong”, then how come everyone here agrees with ME and not YOU? Are you sure it is not YOU who is missing something?

Quote (toby @ Feb. 19 2012,15:46)Gene, you are spot on.  Mikeboll is only claiming to agree with you, because he wants to say that 'Toby is by himself on this one'.  Do angels have bodies?  Gene says YES, Toby says NO.  Yeah, I don't think Gene is agreeing with you, Toby.  As much as he enjoys disagreeing with me, he doesn't on this thre…[Read more]

I'm not stating a fact here, Nick. I am putting this thought up for discussion and input.