Quote (t8 @ Mar. 06 2012,21:22)I say this because there is a difference between a man and man. Man or mankind identifies the nature while 'a man' identifies a particular man or is talking about one man.How do we know that John 1:1c is conveying one single god as opposed to the nature of God?Since we are sure that 1:1 only speaks of ONE who is…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 06 2012,21:00)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 07 2012,12:27)1.  Colwell's Rule allows for the addition of the definite article in certain cases, allowing for “the word was THE god” – which we would translate in English as “the word was God”.I would have to check this out to verify it, but some scholars say that this wording would mean…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 06 2012,19:17)My finger is me.My finger is not me, myself, and I.The word “myself” implies the entirety of myself.Me, myself, and I all mean the same thing, Ed.  All of those words refer to the whole being of you.And I can't help it that YOU have it in your head that humans are the only “persons”.Anyone or anything that can…[Read more]

The prophecy of Jonah also shows how the prophet himself has HIS OWN will, which is not always in complete alignment with the will of God – just like in the case of John 6:38.  But eventually, in all cases, the prophet ended up placing the will of God over his own will – just like in John 6:38.

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 06 2012,18:49)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 07 2012,09:32)Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 06 2012,02:30)Hi Mike,The Bible doesn't say 'God was with God'?The Bible says “The Word” was with God.That's too funny, Ed!  Isn't it you who tries to tell us all that the Word IS the Holy Spirit which IS God Himself?  According to YOUR understanding, it w…[Read more]

Like I said Frank, you guys can't have your cake and eat it too. If you are of the understanding that the Word was LITERALLY THE GOD, then there is no choice but for John 1:1 to be saying that God was WITH God.

No, Asana.  And if it did, then MANY scriptures would contradict many other scriptures.It's more like this:There are many called “Jesus”, but there is only one true “Jesus”.Is everyone else named Joshua now “fake”?  Of course not.  It is an emphatical statement placing Jehovah ABOVE all others who are called “god”.Jesus is called god, Asana.  W…[Read more]

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Mar. 06 2012,17:41)Mike,I also believe as Nick that the word of Father Yahweh is the spirit of Messiah, which is of Yahweh and also Yahweh.Examine your own words above, Frank.  Let me repost it with some of them struck through:I also believe as Nick that the word of Father Yahweh is the spirit of Messiah, which is of Yahweh…[Read more]

Quote (Marlin1 @ Mar. 06 2012,14:37)Let me give you one. H2O……… above 212F it is STEAM. above 32 but less then 212F it is WATER. below 32F it is ICE.It is always the same *** H2O ***, but it can come in three different forms.But not at the same time, Marlin. Luke 10:21At that…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 06 2012,15:11)Mike you are wrong in your presumption that Spirit is a body brother that simply does not fit scripture.Gene, for the thousandth time, none of us on this thread has EVER said a spirit IS a body.What we've said is that spirit BEINGS, such as angels, HAVE bodies – which with YOU agree.What is wrong with you?…[Read more]

Quote (toby @ Mar. 06 2012,14:03)I take it then that if you were asked what the body of a Human Being is made of, you would say, 'Human'.Ha ha!  Good one!    Quote (toby @ Mar. 06 2012,14:03)Is there a Spirit inside the body of the Spirit?Yes.We have our own spirits, which are animated by God's Spirit.  So basically, we are a spirit being enc…[Read more]

Good post, Frank. I agree with all of it.

Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 06 2012,10:14)The fact is there are not many gods, There is only one God.That is simply not scriptural. There are many gods in heaven and on earth. Scripture says so. Jehovah Himself calls Satan “the god of Ekron”. Paul calls Satan “the god of this age”. Jesus is also called “mighty god”, and he is not…[Read more]

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Mar. 06 2012,13:01)Mike,”Heaven Net” only knows where you got the idea that the translation that Nick submitted says “God was with God”!  Frank, pay attention.  Nick believes the Word was the spirit of Christ, which is of God and also God.So it is his reasoning that makes God be with God, not mine.  I was merely pointing ou…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 06 2012,02:30)Hi Mike,The Bible doesn't say 'God was with God'?The Bible says “The Word” was with God.That's too funny, Ed! Isn't it you who tries to tell us all that the Word IS the Holy Spirit which IS God Himself? According to YOUR understanding, it would most definitely be saying that God was WITH God.

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 06 2012,00:07)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 06 2012,14:56)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 05 2012,18:27)This concept occurred to me and I submit it to see if it finds favour among the spiritual.Wouldn't it have been better for you to check if there were scriptures to support the concept before submitting it?Wouldn't it have been better for…[Read more]

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Mar. 05 2012,19:35)Mike,What do you propose the proper translation of the verse to be if you are not in agreement with the translation Nick has posted?Frank,There are three legitimate possibilities for the translation of John 1:1c……………..1.  Colwell's Rule allows for the addition of the definite article in certain…[Read more]

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Mar. 05 2012,19:29)Mike,Yes, I agree with you on this point that there are two separate wills that Yahshua was speaking of here, his own will and that of his and our Father Yahweh.There is no other logical way to understand it, Frank. Nick is grasping at nonsense to make his doctrine appear to hold water, IMO.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 05 2012,18:57)Hi MB,In the beginning the Word was with God and the Word was God.God cannot be WITH God, Nick.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 05 2012,18:54)Do you think there being sent to do God's will compelled them or did the Spirit lead them?A little of both. In some cases, God told them what to do, and they did it. In other cases, they were led by the Spirit and even taken up in visions, etc. Why?