Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 10 2012,20:06)Hi 94,Again it speaks of the future as a plan. God speaks of the past as far as the Word being with Him IN THE BEGINNINGThat is a good point, Nick.Just because God can and has spoken of future things is no reason to twist the scriptures where He speaks of things that truly were in the past.”The glory I had”…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 10 2012,20:01)Hi MB, Your desperate grasp on being SENSIBLE stops you from hearing what is spiritual.Yes Nick,My doctrine DOES make sense.  In my doctrine, there is THE will of God.  In yours, there are the TWO opposing wills of God.In mine, Jesus is one witness, and his Father is the other one.  In yours, God is one wi…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Mar. 10 2012,20:00)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 11 2012,13:57)Quote (942767 @ Mar. 10 2012,19:22)But this position of glory at the right hand of the Father was forseen from the beginning, and therefore, in this sense he had this glory with the Father in the beginning.  The scripture does not state that he is returning to a former…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ Mar. 11 2012,06:16)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 11 2012,13:46)Quote (jammin @ Mar. 10 2012,19:22)Colossians 1:15 NLT15 Christ is the visible image of the invisible God.     He existed before anything was created and is supreme over all creationI would think the One that Jesus calls “my God” would be supreme over His own creation.  …[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Mar. 10 2012,19:22)But this position of glory at the right hand of the Father was forseen from the beginning, and therefore, in this sense he had this glory with the Father in the beginning. The scripture does not state that he is returning to a former glory.Marty,The words “the glory I HAD” are a good indicator that Jesus was…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 10 2012,19:18)Hi MB, You think the ANOINTING at the Jordan was not life changing?Would you highlight the flesh??I would highlight the one who was BORN Jesus Christ, the Word of God made flesh.

Quote (jammin @ Mar. 10 2012,19:22)Colossians 1:15 NLT15 Christ is the visible image of the invisible God. He existed before anything was created and is supreme over all creationI would think the One that Jesus calls “my God” would be supreme over His own creation. Your source says the word “prototokos” can mean “firstborn” literally or…[Read more]

Pierre, I think that is exactly what causes most people to scream in protest, “THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD!”  This is what they've been programmed to believe.  This is what they think is the “right thing” to say.I understand them, because I've heard the same thing all my life.  But since I've started reading the Bible, I've come to know that many th…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 10 2012,16:06)Hi T8, You mean Jesus CHRIST?Yes Nick,Men with personal agendas, who have a feeling of increased empowerment if they can convince themselves that Jesus was no more than the rest of us, try hard to make a distinction between “Jesus”, “Jesus Christ”, and “the Word of God”.Scripturally, no such distinction exists.

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 10 2012,15:52)Jesus was right when he said to the Pharisees “But you have no idea where I come from or where I am going”.Our current day Pharisees differ from the Pharisees of old in that they do know where Jesus was going.  They accept that he is now at the right hand of his God in heaven.Why they can't put two and two together…[Read more]

Hi Kathi,During the course of our “proskuneo” discussion, I referred you and Keith to 2 Samuel 1:2, where a man bows down to King David.  I told you guys that the word used in the LXX was “proskuneo”, and that it didn't mean this man “worshipped” King David as if he were God.I remember both you and Keith making the claim that, LXX aside, there is…[Read more]

No Toby.  I didn't read Gene's post.  In fact, I very rarely read Gene's posts.  I usually skim them quickly, pick a sentence out, and respond to it.I do the same with you and all others who insist on posting novels.Why? Did it have anything at all to do with the topic of this thread, which is whether or not spirit beings such as angels and Je…[Read more]

Quote (toby @ Mar. 10 2012,13:25)You very well know that if you were to walk a straight line with what Scriptures says concerning this topic, you would not be able to sustain yourself in this thread.There you go with the accusations again.  Shouldn't you be applying your comment above to over 30 people who have visited this thread – instead of…[Read more]

Yes Nick,Men with personal agendas, who have a feeling of increased empowerment if they can convince themselves that Jesus was no more than the rest of us, try hard to make a distinction between “Jesus”, “Jesus Christ”, and “the Word of God”.Scripturally, no such distinction exists.

Perhaps a declaration, Nick.I can only tell you what the scriptures tell me. And I'm only so sure he was God's Christ at birth because that's what the scriptures say.What do you want me to do? Ignore them like some of you guys do?

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 10 2012,10:49)Hi Mike, You asking me the same question over and over is not going to change my answer.And you posting the same unrelated scriptures over and over is not going to change the fact that Simeon was allowed to see God's Christ when that Christ was only 8 days old.Let's just leave it as I believe the scriptures and you…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 10 2012,10:17)Hi Mike,I'm not trying to change your mind.Good, because you won't do it by posting unrelated and unscriptural things.Now, did Simeon see God's Christ when that Christ was only 8 days old or not? What does the scripture clearly say?

No, that verse indicates that you are using the flawed KJV Bible.  This is how the verse goes:Revelation 13:8 NET © and all those who live on the earth will worship the beast, 1  everyone whose name has not been written since the foundation of the world 2  in the book of life belonging to the Lamb who was killed. 3Footnote 2 says:Rev 13:82tn The…[Read more]

So SIMEON was God, and calling future things as though they were already?

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 10 2012,08:38)Hi Mike,I gave you two examples: one in John 11:27 and another in Acts 3:22-24. (see my previous post)And how does Acts 3 change the words of Simeon?