Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 15 2012,02:04)Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.Yes Kerwin,What you've posted from the NASB is correct…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 14 2012,21:29)The point I was making was that you used the word JESUS instead of what is written when you discussed Phil 2.5f.Yet your claim is that Jesus was no part of being in the form of God before the world began.  Your claim is that the person “Jesus” did not empty himself and become made into a human being.So why…[Read more]

Quote (toby @ Mar. 14 2012,21:05)Neither of them – because your premises are flawed.Let's do talk about our “premises” for a minute.Your premise is:  Mike, I know Jesus didn't have a spiritual body because something would have had to happen to that spiritual body when Jesus was made into a human being.And right from the start, YOUR premise is…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 15 2012,05:36)Mike……….This is not what you have said You (HAVE) said Angels (ARE) SPIRITS, themselves , While i have argued they have Bodies ………………..Yes Gene. YOU are right about angels having bodies. Toby is right about angels BEING spirits.I am right about both.

Pierre,There comes a point when it's just no use anymore. We've showed Nick from scripture where his understanding doesn't align – yet he still keeps saying the same tired things over and over, as if those scriptures we showed him amount to nothing.I have come to know now that it doesn't matter what scriptures we show guys like Kerwin, Nick,…[Read more]

Quote (Jodi Lee @ Mar. 14 2012,07:50)The book of John makes Jesus out to be a god……………..Didn't Jesus' Father foretell through Isaiah that Jesus would be called a mighty god?

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 14 2012,19:41)Hi Mike,Scenarios do portray ideas, but don't prove them.So then you have no problem whatsoever with us using them, right?

Ed,If you can use the words “OF” or “HIS”, then no. The mind OF Pierre isn't Pierre, but HIS mind.The money OF Mike is not Mike, but HIS money.The thoughts OF Ed are not Ed, but HIS thoughts.The soul OF Gene is not Gene, but HIS soul.See how this works?

Okay Nick.

Ed,Do YOU mean like the parables Jesus used to teach others?

Quote (toby @ Mar. 14 2012,19:03)Since an Angel (Spirit) is an “Essence” with Power and intelligence, it can manifest any type of temporary Body in the Physical world.How about you show me the scripture that teaches us this BEFORE you accuse me of making “false steps”?  You already know my answer anyway.  Did Balaam's angel manifest one body t…[Read more]

Quote (toby @ Mar. 14 2012,18:14)On the contrary, it is you that cannot construct a viable analogy.A Human Being comprises Body and Spirit (together making a Soul)For your “drop of water” to work you would have to explain the equivalence of the “Spirit” In the “Water Droplet”.Hey Toby,Just exactly as I was reading your post, a more dumbed down…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 14 2012,18:19)He understood Jesus was the Messiah or anointed ONE because GOD had told him .I agree, Gene. That's the point I was trying to make.

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 14 2012,17:20)A servant that has the form of God and the likeness of mankind but who does not see equality with God something to be grasped.What the freak does that even mean, Kerwin?  This is why I now avoid the long, drawn out discussions with you.  You are willing to post complete nonsense to save your flawed doctrine.And I…[Read more]

Gene,Why don't you go visit Asana's “Do spirits have bodies” thread. Try to convince him of the ONE meaning of “spirit” in the scriptures for a while.

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 14 2012,16:43)Mike face it you have absolutely no idea what a Spirit (IS)  , on the one hand you believe it is a “BODY”………….   And there goes Gene again, claiming that I think a spirit IS a body – after I've told him time and time again that no one here has ever made that claim!  Gene, did you see where I ju…[Read more]

13 Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to be baptized by John. 14 But John tried to deter him, saying, “I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?”Why do you suppose John the Baptist, who WAS filled with Holy Spirit, would say these words to a regular old person who wasn't yet filled with Holy Spirit? Why would it be imp…[Read more]

Toby, I've answered your question.  Here it is again:Whatever happened to Jesus himself during the process of ceasing as a spirit being in heaven and becoming a flesh being on earth, happened to ALL OF JESUS, – spiritual body included.I saw that you cannot intelligently address my drop of water analogy.  Until you are able to understand that if G…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 13 2012,21:43) Quote (mikeboll @ 64)1.  Does Phil 2 teach that Jesus was existing in the form of God?  YES or NO?The answer is no.  The reason is the Greek verb is a present participle active and you are using the past tense.  Hmmmm…………..  So there's no possibility that it is an historical present?  Let's find out.<…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 13 2012,21:15)Hi MB,No-Christ JesusNo-Christ JesusNo-Christ Jesus. Please be more disciplined and seek accuracy.Oh. So the Word had the name “Jesus” even before it “merged with” Jesus of Nazareth?Be more disciplined, Nick.