Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 25 2012,22:42)Hi MB, Come on. One day's teaching in 30 years proves he has been anointed??No Nick,The angel saying he was born the Christ, and Simeon having his promise kept to see the Christ prove he had already been anointed. But this is off topic for this thread, Nick.

jammin? Kathi?  Read the post right above this one and see if you can find any fault in my and Pierre's reasoning.If not, I'll post my next scripture.

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 26 2012,11:51)edjthis is Mike's Quote If Jesus is not the One who created all those things, than he has no choice but to be one of those things that was created by the One they prayed to – the One who DID create all those things.IF JESUS IS NOT THE ONE WHO CREATED ALL THOSE THINGS,THAN HE(CHRIST) HAS TO BE ONE OF THOSE…[Read more]

Quote (Colter @ Mar. 26 2012,05:28)You make a very valid, logical point, who were the apostles praying to when referring to the servant, their Lord Jesus Christ?Thanks for taking the time, Colter. I read your post, and there is much I would like to discuss with you as time permits – but not on this thread. The only point I was making with Acts 4…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 25 2012,23:35)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 26 2012,10:50)Ed,The point of Acts 4 is very simple.  It depicts who exactly created the heavens, earth, sea, and everything in them.  That One is “God”.Then, in verse 30, it clearly lists Jesus as someone OTHER THAN the God who created the heaven, earth, sea, and everything in them.If J…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 25 2012,23:10)We both agreed that the term firstborn was literal and that it happened before the ages. What we never agreed on was that it meant first created.I'm sorry Kathi, I misspoke.  You are correct that you and I agreed that Jesus was BEGOTTEN before the ages, not CREATED.  Sorry for the mental slip.I will mention o…[Read more]

Asana,The answers don't match the question.

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 25 2012,22:53)Mike,Those five questions are not in regards to the question “Was Jesus created?”Kerwin,Read my post that is directly above this post of yours. It most definitely speaks to whether or not Jesus was a creation of his God.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 25 2012,22:48)Hi MB,So you do concede that the conception of Jesus was not the fulfillment of Ps2?That his partaking of flesh was not his conception?Conception is a beginning.I haven't “conceded” anything, Nick. This thread is about whether or not Jesus was created. You and I agree he was. I'm ignoring your other posts…[Read more]

Kathi,You have FINALLY acknowledged that “beginning of the creation by God” could mean the first thing God ever created.  That is good.  Now I can use my other scriptures to show you that is what it HAS to mean.But, you are stuck on this other thing so far.  I'll ask once more:Are you seriously saying that “firstborn of every creature” CANNOT PO…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 25 2012,22:43)Hi Mike,You can't pressure others into believing as you do, youwill have to do it with Scripture, which you don't have.Let me know when you try to use another verse; OK?Ed,The point of Acts 4 is very simple.  It depicts who exactly created the heavens, earth, sea, and everything in them.  That One is “God”.Then, i…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 25 2012,22:43)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 26 2012,10:04)Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 25 2012,22:02)Pierre,I take it for granted that both Jesus and John the Baptist are created; especially as Scripture declares they were  both conceived in their respective mother's wombs.Then for the purposes of this thread, you, I, and Pierre all agree…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 25 2012,22:40)Hi MB, The man Jesus was created. the Son was begotten ps2Nick,You were begotten by your father, yet you are also a creation of God. Why do you and Kathi think they are exclusive terms? As Kerwin has pointed out, being “conceived” doesn't prohibit one from being created. Nor does being “begotten” or…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 25 2012,20:39)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 26 2012,13:15)Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 25 2012,20:08)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 26 2012,12:59)Also, the word “christ” refers to one who has been anointed BY God.  I roll my eyes each time I read you claim that the Christ OF God is the very God who anointed him.   Hi Mike,When was Jesus a…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ Mar. 25 2012,20:26)almighty refers to the nature of GOD.Christ is GOD by nature, he is almighty!So it is your claim that Jesus IS God Almighty at the same time God Almighty is his own God?   So you truly think Jesus is his own God, jammin?  Or that there are TWO God Almighties?

Yes, he was created by God, as is everything in existence.

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 25 2012,22:26)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 26 2012,15:14)Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 25 2012,21:53)1.  Who did Peter and John pray to?                                                                                                        “The Father”2.  Did they attribute the creation of the heaven, earth, sea, and EVERYTHING IN THEM to the…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 25 2012,22:12)Mike,Did Jesus exist before He was conceived in Mary? If so, that which He was before Mary was not said to be conceived and therefore is not said to have a beginning.Not yet, Kathi. Micah 5 is coming soon enough. Right now I'm waiting for your 5 answers to the last post on page 5.

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 25 2012,22:14)MikeI do not think that Nick agreed with us ,what he is really saying is that…………….I don't really care for the purposes of this thread, Pierre. Kerwin, Nick, you, and I all agree that Jesus was created.I don't want this to become a pre-existent thread, or a “who is the Word” thread.peace,mike

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 25 2012,22:07)It is IMPOSSIBLE for firstborn to mean first created.Wrong.  Babel was built by Nimrod.  It was the first recorded “kingdom” of the earth, and therefore Nimrod could be said to have been the literal “firstborn of the kings of the earth”.  Does that prohibit Nimrod from being a creation?  YES or NO?  (This is m…[Read more]