Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 18 2012,17:10)Hi MB, The mind of Christ is the goal. We must decrease and he must increaseNick,How could you possibly have in you the mind of Christ when you don't even understand the teaching of Phil 2?  To you and many others, Jesus was nothing special.  He was just the regular old human being that God decided to put H…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ April 18 2012,06:18)But when the proper time had fully come, God sent His Son, born of a woman, born subject to the Law,gal 4.4you cant send a person if he is not yet existing.Good point and good scripture, jammin.

Quote (jammin @ April 18 2012,02:53)did i say that the son is the father?? the son is not the father!but they have the same nature, GODexmple mikeyou and your father have the same nature, MAN.are you your father?or you are his son?do you understand? or just pretending that you dont understand this truth?I understand what you're trying to say,…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 17 2012,20:28)Hi MB, I did wonder.Lk 10.9lk 16.16lk 17.21mt 12.28mk 1.5Nick,Which one of these is supposed to say the Kingdom of God is inside a human being?

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 18 2012,11:10)FrancisThe trinity was an invention that took the church by storm and so was making Jesus “GOD” There is even old literature that has been found that shows that at the time no one thought Jesus was God and that was my point the main body of Christians believe what the Catholic Church taught and then they…[Read more]

“Submitting their minds“, Nick? Aren't you the one arguing that we shouldn't involve our minds at all? I thought that's what the argument was all about: YOU saying our God-given minds, logic, and understanding are useless, and WE saying He wouldn't have given us such things if we weren't intended to use them.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 18 2012,16:56)Hi MB,It is predictable that you would make Jesus an angel as well as a lesser god despite scripture. morning stars are in Revelation more than you have found.Jesus Christ said he would GIVE the morning star in Rev 2.18 What does this mean to you-an angel??I don't know what it means, Nick. That's why, as I…[Read more]

Quote (david @ April 18 2012,00:09)First, where is mike?Secondly, Mike, I found one place where the topic of Jesus' resurrection (spirit or flesh) was had (page 37-40 of this thread.)Where did mike go?Hi David,I just read the pages you listed.  I agree with you that Jesus is now a spirit being, just like he was before he was made into the…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ April 17 2012,20:47)Mikewould Jesus be plural it says STARS not STARI understand “morning stars” to be another way of saying “angelic beings”, or “angels”.There are many morning stars listed in Job, but only one in Rev. The one is Rev is distinguished as the bright morning star. Perhaps that means Jesus is the brightest…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 18 2012,09:09)Nick……….Did God not say COME LETS “reason together” do you think God who gave us the ability to reason expects us not to use it?  Isaiah 116 Stop doing wrong, 17 learn to do right!Seek justice,   encourage the oppressed.Defend the cause of the fatherless,   plead the case of the widow. 18 “C…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ April 17 2012,20:53)Mikeand all Solomon wisdom seems not to save him from himself because he drew away from his God ,and went astrayTrue.

No, it's not in me or in anyone else, Nick. The Kingdom of God is in heaven right now. His Kingdom will soon be on earth as well; but for right now, this is Satan's kingdom. We are to be no part of this world for that very reason.

God surely gave Solomon knowledge beyond any other man.  And just as surely, God intended for Solomon to use that knowledge.God may not have given any of us the great mind He gave Solomon, but surely He wouldn't give us one ounce of logic and knowledge if He didn't intend for us to USE those things.

Quote (kerwin @ April 17 2012,18:56)Judge for yourself; is it an angel or the Spirit of God that arises in the hearts of believers?Point taken, Kerwin. But since it can be said that God and Jesus “dwell within us”, couldn't it be said that Jesus is the morning star that arises in the hearts of believers?I'm not trying to teach here – just asking…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 17 2012,19:22)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 18 2012,11:11)And what does it mean in Job?Hi MB, In Job 38 the morning stars are angelic sons.That seems to be the general consensus. So what does it mean that Jesus is the “bright morning star”?

Isaiah 44:19No one stops to think,   no one has the knowledge or understanding to say,“Half of it I used for fuel;   I even baked bread over its coals,   I roasted meat and I ate.Shall I make a detestable thing from what is left?  Shall I bow down to a block of wood?”Does God sound “happy” that people stupidly made idols of worship out of a tree…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 17 2012,18:49)Hi MB, If your carnal reasoning is correct?Why wouldn't my reasoning be correct, Nick? Do you have a SCRIPTURAL or SPIRITUAL reason to assume that when it says the universe was created through Son of God, it really wasn't?

Then are YOU a “morning star”, Kerwin? How about me? Or Nick?Most commentators seem to think it refers to heavenly spirit beings, such as angels. You don't agree?

Nick,The scripture says that the universe (ages) was created through the Son of God – the same Son God spoke through in these last days. If the Son through whom God spoke is Jesus, then the Son through whom God created the ages was Jesus. I will accept the scriptures as they are. But you feel free to tinker around with them at will, okay.

Two and a half years have gone by since I made this thread (my first of many on Heaven Net).  And in that time, I have been challenged to defend my beliefs by delving deeper and deeper into the written word of God.  I've gotten to the point that I can defend against the Trinity and Non-Preexistence Doctrines with tons of scriptural insight, but i…[Read more]