Quote (terraricca @ April 19 2012,10:03)Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 20 2012,01:03)Hi David, Are we back to dependance on JW inference theology?Surely one verse could be found?Nthat was not the answer to the question , No it wasn't, Pierre. But then, Nick is not the best at actually answering questions or addressing the actual point of other…[Read more]

What's really funny is that I just posted my imitation of Nick before I read Nick's post that is three posts above mine!  

Quote (david @ April 19 2012,00:25)I'm posting these words again, because I feel most of it is simply ignored.  (Mike, was it this thread that you got these words from?)Yep.  In fact I imported that entire post to this thread.  (1st post on page 47)I was trying to use your points and scriptures one at a time, but after a few of the off-hand an…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 18 2012,20:30)Points Mike? Only unwise judgementsSorry. I deleted that post immediately when I saw you had posted again – because it didn't fit the context of your second post.I believe the scriptures, Nick. You obviously don't. We really have no more to say to each other.

No Nick. The ages were created through God's Son. That couldn't have happened unless God HAD a Son before the ages were created. Go sell crazy somewhere else……………..I'm not buying.

Quote (jammin @ April 18 2012,19:14)paul said God manifested in the flesh. that flesh body died! do not make people fool mike.If Jesus didn't really die like the rest of us die, and if he wasn't really raised from the dead like the rest of us are to be raised from the dead, then in Paul's words, “we are to be pitied more than all men” for…[Read more]

Nick, listen very closely here:I don't know what is meant by “morning star” in Rev 2:28.  But I do agree WITH YOU that it refers to “angelic sons” in Job.  My question to you is:  WHY CAN'T IT ALSO REFER TO AN “ANGELIC SON” IN Rev 22:16?Nick, do you have a SENSIBLE answer to that question or not?

Servants like you, Nick?  But you are flesh, are you not? You cannot enter.

Well, if that is your point, I'll bail from this discussion right now. Your Quran teaches that Jesus didn't really die, but faked us all out instead. That right there is enough for me to never bother reading the rest of it.peace and happy trails,mike

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 18 2012,19:56)HI MB,You do have a vivid imagination. But men do not begin life in heaven do they? Jn 8.40And if God told you today that He decided to transform Michael the archangel into a man, would you deny His words, telling Him that “men do not begin life in heaven”? Your words on this site are mostly nonsense, Nick.

And what's worse, your Jesus isn't even the scriptural Jesus. The scriptural Jesus came down from heaven – yours didn't. The scriptural Jesus was existing in the form of God before emptying himself of all that and being made into a human being – yours wasn't. The scriptural Jesus had the ages created through him – yours didn't.How long will you…[Read more]

Your Jesus sacrificed nothing at all, Nick.

Okay Nick.

So what good does it do anyone by “existing wherever men have obeyed the gospel” if they can't actually enter into it?

It is true that Trinitarian translators to this very day change the scriptures in an attempt to force them to teach what they want them to teach.  (Compare the 1984 NIV with the latest version of the NIV)But I guess I just never assumed this practice started with the original counsels that compiled the cannon.  Is there evidence of scripture t…[Read more]

Hey All,jammin is right that we should all try to stay on the thread topic to the best of our ability. I know how easily conversations stray, but he has been asking you guys for three or four pages to get back on topic. Please attempt to do so.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 18 2012,17:10)No scripture says Jesus is either a lesser god or an angel. Why teach what is not written?Hmmm…………..Is Jesus ever called a god in scripture, Nick?  YES or NO?Didn't you just tell me that the “morning stars” in Job were “angelic sons”?  Why then wouldn't Jesus, as the “bright morning star”, also be a…[Read more]

According to Jesus, flesh cannot enter the Kingdom of God, Nick.

Quote (jammin @ April 18 2012,18:34)the bible says he is God by nature and “not a created god”.Actually, in the “Was Jesus Created?” thread, I believe I showed you at least five different scriptures that make clear that Jesus is not the ONE who created all things, and therefore has no choice but to be one of the things created by that ONE.Jesus…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ April 18 2012,18:26)but God is immortalMicah 5:22 “But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah,out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel,whose origins are from of old, from ancient times.”Romans 6:9For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; d…[Read more]